COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.]

OK, so first, the research is a pilot study, that hasn't shown that Long Covid is caused by damaged mitochondria. It's found data suggestive of metabolic reprogramming and mitochondrial dysfunction, which is not the same thing, because there are different mechanisms which can cause that. Additionally, it's based on a small cohort size, lacks contemporaneous control, may not be generalizable, and should be treated as a hypothesis.

Second, even if we put that aside, it would still be a wild jump to conclude that 'fasting would absolutely be beneficial'. I'm getting the impression you think that stavation-induced autophagy is like a magic wand that you just wave and it fixes any problem with mitochondrial dysfunction. That's not how that works. I'm by no means an expert in this area, but I know enough to know it's a lot more complicated than that, and there are a whole bunch of scenarios where starvation-induced autophagy would be unhelpful.

The conclusion of the study is essentially, "Now we need to follow up on this, see if can identify mechanisms of mitochondrial dysfunction in people with Long Covid, and that should help accelerate the development of therapies." You're trying to skip past that all the way to what that therapy would "absolutely" be. That's not how that works.


No, snacks don't prevent autophagy! Autophagy occurs at a basal level. Eating would typically limit starvation-induced autophagy - because of course it would - but that's neither the only form of autophagy nor the only way that it's induced. Mitochondrial dysfunction itself may be responsible for induction of autophagy. Viruses can also induce mitophagy. Including Sars-CoV-2, for a recent example: e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-021-00807-4.


No. Taking a pilot study, misrepresenting its findings, and combining that with a very oversimplified understanding of autophagy in order to reach a wild conclusion is not science.

We know fasting may be harmful, and we know it may exacerbate some conditions and diseases. We also know, as I've said, that it may be effective for some things, for some individuals, depending on their circumstances. That's not a contentious position.

So I just don't understand the drive to argue with that and start being evangelical about it. In much the same way I didn't understand people (not necessarily you @Dago) rushing to push hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment.

I mean, it'd be great if there was a magic bullet, but we can't just will one into existence by insisting that it exists, regardless of evidence.
Actually I put the caveat in saying IF the study is correct already

Furthermore, as I stated, hormonal changes in response to the body breaking down nutrients stalls autophagy.

Before I say this, let me once again reiterate that I am am vaxxed and boostered.

People in here who are questioning the science behind fasting and autophagy had no problem accepting the vaccines at face value.

There was far more evidence of the results of fasting and autophagy than there was on the effectiveness and side effects of the vaccines and yet anybody who questions the vaccines gets bashed.

There is a huge double standard there