Put me in the QB change camp
I don't know if you realize but we have been successful when our passing game is more vertical...
I realize a lot of things. I realize that in the first half of games the drives that have been successful are the ones that were carried by the running game, not a vertical passing game.
I realize that the only time the vertical passing game has been successful is late in the game when the defense is playing easier to read zones behind easier to defend pass rushes. The defenses are playing that way, because they have a comfortable lead.
Case in point, the Panthers backed off late in the game and the Saints moved the ball vertically. When the Saints got the game to within a score, the Panthers went back to tougher coverages and rushes which promptly shut down the success the Saints were having in the vertical passing game.
Also, the Saints had vertical routes on almost every passing play during the entire game. Just because a vertical route wasn't thrown to doesn't mean the play called wasn't trying to go vertical. You can't determine what a play caller was trying to do just on the outcome of the play. Plays don't always work out as intended.
When our receivers go out and we have Johnson and AK play short, we have been moving the ball.
Not any kind of consistency until late in the game and the defense backs off because of their lead.
You said all of that but the problem is, you are not disagreeing with my opinion. I put down verifiable facts.
I am disagreeing with the opinions you're concluding from selective stats, not the actual stats.
You've offered up some statistical facts and made claims based on what you believe those stats show.
How can you have a difference of opinion about being 60% career wise in intermediate passes and that being higher that Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and many others completion percentage, and this is with throwing that pass at an average higher than anyone in the league.
This is great example of what I was just saying. The disagreement is not with factual statistics.
Those stats factually verfiy that Winston has completed almost 60% of his intermediate passes and that is higher percentage than Mahomes, Allen, Herbert and many others. That's what they verify and it's all they verify.
What else do you think those stats factually verify?
A statistical fact is only absurd to those who want to believe their truth.
It's actually the other way around. People generally absurdly cherry pick and subjectively interpret stats. They rarely go on an unbiased search for truth when they go looking for stats. They go looking for stats they can use to confirm the biases they already have.
And as of Sunday's game, Jameis in 21/29 (72%) in intermediate throws and this is with the second most attempts in the league:
Let's compare:
Brady: 9/18 (50%)
Herbert: 10/20 (50%)
Mahomes: 13/24 (54%)
Burrow: 16/28 (57%)
Hurts: 12/20 (60%)
Wilson: 9/15 (60%)
Rodgers: 8/11 (72%)
Stafford: 11/14 (79%)
Okay. So what? I mean that sincerely. What's so important about that statistical comparison? All it shows is what's happened to this point. It doesn't tell us why it's happened. It doesn't tell us what's going to happen in the future.
What's the statistical comparison of 3rd down efficiency, red zone efficiency, TD's to Int, Int per attempt. short pass completion, deep pass completion, sacks, sacks per attempt, missed reads, off target receptions and QBR?