Favre/media
your making my point for me....it's rare that a QB plays as long as favre, marino or montana.....some guys are lucky to play for 10 years.....i am not trying to take anything from him.....i am just not sure that he's top 5 of all time...that's all
More or less the way I feel about him.
First of all, Favre seems like a genuinely cool guy and there's no denying he's had a very successful career. I like that he seems to really enjoy playing the game. But I think some fair points and criticisms have been made about him.
I don't think it's crazy for somebody to suggest, despite his place in the record books, that he's not one of the 5 all-time best to play QB. Depends on what you value. Stats (and then which stats)? Accuracy? Wins-losses? Fundamentally sound? Poise? Super Bowl appearances (a flawed standard to judge a QB, IMO, but it has its place in the discussion.) Etc.
Below is a list of the NFL's highest rated QBs going into the 2007 season. (Searched out of curiosity and chosen only as a point of reference. I recognize that QB ratings are by no means the be-all/end-all in compiling a ranking of QBs).
In bold are the QBs I'd hold in higher regard than Favre. Elway isn't on the list but he has to be considered (and I'd rank him ahead of Favre).
And the list doesn't include greats like Unitas and Starr. And then there are guys like Namath, Bradshaw, Aikman, Staubach, Moon, and Fouts -- all of whom at least have a place, to varying degrees, in a discussion of all-time greats. And because I'm no historian, and because I'm only trying to scratch the surface enough to present an opinion, I've no doubt made some obvious omissions.
1 Steve Young* 96.81
2 Peyton Manning 94.37
3 Kurt Warner 93.77
4 Joe Montana* 92.26
5 Marc Bulger 91.26
6 Daunte Culpepper 90.75
7 Chad Pennington 89.32
8 Tom Brady 88.36
9 Drew Brees 87.54
10 Trent Green 87.48
11 Jeff Garcia 86.43
12 Dan Marino* 86.38
13 Donovan McNabb 85.19
14 Matt Hasselbeck 85.10
15 Brett Favre 85.05
16 Rich Gannon 84.71
17 Brian Griese 84.54
18 Jim Kelly* 84.39
19 Mark Brunell 84.21
20 Jake Delhomme 84.05
* - Hall of Famers
Italics - Players active during 2006 NFL Season
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All-time passer rating - listing of passer ratings for every quarterback in NFL history who attempted 1,500 passes.
Source: Elias Sports Bureau
http://www.profootballhof.com/history/story.jsp?story_id=2355
Clearly Favre has his place in history and he's one of the most accomplished. But the best? One of the five best? Not at all unreasonably debatable, IMO.