I'd argue that he's at the top of that second group. The only one of those I might rank ahead of him would be Watson, and of course he had his own issues, although mostly off the field stuff. Rodgers and Stafford are in the twilight of their careers, so I'd rather have Carr in his prime than a 1-2 year rental. That puts Carr firmly in the top 10 QBs. Clearly better than average. And if you go by his stats prior to last season, he easily qualifies.