Ukraine
Ummm, sorry to pick nits but, since you came back with a reply to him, I gotta chime in that I’m with Consigliere on this one.
Your original post said the US “…shouldn't have won that war, but we did.” That’s just an objectively, historically wrong statement.
That’s like getting your arse kicked in a fight but saying “I won the fight because it built my character”. I can say that with authority because I got my arse kicked a lot as a kid and it built a lot of character…but I still lost the fights. :hihi:
Had Napoleon not tackled the British when they were otherwise occupied with us, we would have lost that war. Remember the British did take our Capitol and burned it.
They beat us every time we engaged them until they had to shift most of their forces back home to take on France.
Just as we are saving Ukraine with our help in this war, France saved us in that war, because we had been losing that war until France started a second war.
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@Consigliere has noted that is not the central issue of my posts.
I will note that the professor in his lecture also has my view on that we should not have won that war, luck that France got involved, and our inclusive nation building both factored into why we survived.
Almost no wars have simple answers that follow the logic of single effect or cause. It's always a combination soup that comes together to decide the outcome of most wars.
The main thrust of my comments is that the US and Ukraine have a lot of in common nation building in the early stages of our development as a nation. That in common factor is especially apparent for having included more of the people in New Orleans. Necessity was a major factor in that, many in American didn't want to include those who they did not feel came from their roots. Necessity is also a major factor in Ukraine, they cannot afford to shut any minority group they have out.
They can't even shut out the few Nazi's they have. Although to call those people Nazi's is not correct, Germans were the Nazi's, those very strong nationalist Ukrainians have some of similar symbolic images which long predate the Nazi's. Many of those symbols come from the Vikings, 1,200 years before Nazi's used similar symbols.
They need to be included, but I do hope they are not allowed to dominate. We have them here as well and keeping them in check is something we've had to deal with from time to time during our history.
But we do have to include them, and have. Trying to get rid of them would make us worse overall, not better.