PFF - have y'all seen this

jahsoul357 said
Carr was a Raider for 9 seasons and was coached by 2 coaches for a total of 6 of those seasons and Grudens staff and offense was still in place after he was gone. And contrary to popular belief, Carr had great coaching. Matter of fact, let's compare the Patriots offensive ranking in 2021 compared to 2022. Also, let's compare the Raiders offensive ranking in 2022 compared to most of the seasons Carr has been there. McDaniels might suck as it relates to people but I think their situation might look different next season.

He didn't pass the "eye test" but the problem is nobody really looked at things outside of him and I will be the first to say that I believe that folks were "overly critical." Every pass had to be perfect and every read had to be the right one (guess what; Drew Brees made the wrong read plenty and threw his fair share of bad passes,). And honestly, we were expecting him to create miracles given what we actually had to work with in 2021.

Did Jameis make some bad throws and wrong reads at times? Yes but my eye test also showed a line that could barely protect, RBs outside of Kamara that couldn't push the ball, WRs who were bottom of the league in separation with all of our quarterbacks being among the highest in drop percentage (and film actually shows more drops that weren't count) and no kicker that could consistently make a FG. And even with this, before injury, the Saints were one of the most efficient team in terms of scoring, Jameis was among the league leaders in TD passes, and we were top 10 in converting 3rd downs. This is why I also mentioned in the past that the eye test is "finicky." A lot of people talk about eye test but can't see the forest for the trees. The only game we can really look at be and be like "man, Jameis was trash" was the COVID game, and truth be told, our entire team played like trash that day. That was a horrible game on both sides of the ball.

And Mahomes or Burrow drafted to the Urban Meyer Jags would have been a different story. Mahomes was not drafted to turn a franchise around; he was drafted to get them over the hump. Hall of Fame coach, proven offense, and winning culture was already in place. He was drafted to probably the best situation any QB has been drafted into. And people hated when I said this but Chase getting drafted there was the X-Factor, because it gave Burrow the best receiver core in the NFL and he benefitted from that greatly, unless we ignored 2020 before he got injured. Situation matters as much as skill.

Neither were late bloomers; they just went to situations where coaching believed in them. Did he need to mature up some? Yes, indeed but Geno always had the skill to play in this league. But we somehow overlook the fact that he was drafted to the New York Jets and Tannehill was drafted by the Joe Philbin Dolphins? We seem to ignore the situation that a player is drafted in, unless we like that player. The Raiders are not the only dysfunctional organization in the league..lol

You do know that those TD numbers had him among the best in the league at the time of his injury, right? LOL. And he only threw less than 200 yards the first 3 games; he threw over 200 the last 3 and they began opening up the offense since the Giants game., as he averaged over 30+ passes his last 3 full games. Plus a late bloomer throw for over 5k yards in a season; I'm just saying...lol

When Jimmy G was a rookie and in his formative years, the fist NFL offensive system he absorbed in his young brain, was Josh McDaniels. Sorry but you’re trying to establish a ground work now for a later debate. (Nice try) Of course JG and the Raiders will be better next year. Carr has had 5 HCs and 5 systems to learn. It’s well known that Carr struggled with JMs system. Carr was demoted when JM arrived. JM took away what Carr prided himself on and what all vet QBs aspire, and thats to be able to call and change plays at the line based off what he’s seeing. The fact that he took this away is an embarrassment and you could make a case that JM had the intention to jettison Carr prior to the season, with the assumption that JG will be his QB going forward. The LV Raiders didn’t cut Carr to chase Aaron Rogers. They had this plan in place. Then when it came time to save money, and ensure Carrs departure they cut him with three games left making sure he’d stay injury free, making sure he wouldnt collect if an injury happened.

You’re slamming JWs team as reason for his failure. (Kicker, terrible Wrs, bad Oline) I’ll admit that’s all true, but that’s the NFL. You play the hand you’re dealt. In 2006. DB had a rookie lance Moore and Colston and Terrance Copper and an old Joe Horn. You can make a case that DB made these receivers what they are today, extremely well respected Saints, because he was accurate and threw to the right reads. I’ll pull up legit points and you come back with completion % and the eye test as finicky. We both know those are important attributes.

I’ll tell you what’s going on. When I ask my brain to run footage of JW as a Saint, my brain shows me multiple plays of a cautious guy trying to place the ball followed by a collapse where he threw multi picks over and over. In my mind it was one game, but in reality it was his time as a Saints QB. What you saw, because apparently you are a big fan of his and you wanted him to succeed extremely bad, and was emotionaly hurt when he didn’t. And there’s Nothing wrong with that. In your minds replay of JW game footage, you’re seeing all of the good passes and TDs etc etc. My point is, is that there’s nothing anyone can say, that would cause my brain to run different footage from the footage that is already seared in the brain flesh. And apparently same goes for you. I’ll say it again, he’s needs time, he’s not ready yet. As we have said, some QB thrive in systems that others do not. Maybe SPs system wasnt for JW? But one thing is for sure, is that he didn’t get enough quality time behind the wheel until he got injured. You never know, he could’ve played one more game, then it all clicks. I think he was trying to do too much. Holding the ball too long, taking unnecessary hits. I think it was TB LB White that cheap shot JW tho. But again, you see a completely different JW than I see.
You know what I mean about late bloomer. You also know for SPs system to work, there needs to be a minimum of 300 yards per game. Remember, Sean throws to set up the run. Not like most teams that do the opposite. if you don’t complete those easy passes, you can’t run either. The system fails.