PFF - have y'all seen this
When Jimmy G was a rookie and in his formative years, the fist NFL offensive system he absorbed in his young brain, was Josh McDaniels. Sorry but you’re trying to establish a ground work now for a later debate. (Nice try) Of course JG and the Raiders will be better next year. Carr has had 5 HCs and 5 systems to learn. It’s well known that Carr struggled with JMs system. Carr was demoted when JM arrived. JM took away what Carr prided himself on and what all vet QBs aspire, and thats to be able to call and change plays at the line based off what he’s seeing. The fact that he took this away is an embarrassment and you could make a case that JM had the intention to jettison Carr prior to the season, with the assumption that JG will be his QB going forward. The LV Raiders didn’t cut Carr to chase Aaron Rogers. They had this plan in place. Then when it came time to save money, and ensure Carrs departure they cut him with three games left making sure he’d stay injury free, making sure he wouldnt collect if an injury happened.
Actually, I wasn't trying to establish any ground work a future debate. haha. I was just saying that the team will probably look different, as it looked different with Stidham running the show, as he has been in that system for years. And if Carr struggled in McDaniels' system, why would you expect him to be given full control? He wasn't demoted; he had to learn an offense that wasn't based off an WCO.
You’re slamming JWs team as reason for his failure. (Kicker, terrible Wrs, bad Oline) I’ll admit that’s all true, but that’s the NFL. You play the hand you’re dealt. In 2006. DB had a rookie lance Moore and Colston and Terrance Copper and an old Joe Horn. You can make a case that DB made these receivers what they are today, extremely well respected Saints, because he was accurate and threw to the right reads. I’ll pull up legit points and you come back with completion % and the eye test as finicky. We both know those are important attributes.
It seems like you are missing Duece and Reggie in that. And Drew didn't always make the right read; again, this perceptions is coming from the Deification of Drew. We started 2007 0-4 and Drew averaged 232 yards per game and threw 1 touchdown and 9 interceptions in those games. Let me repeat;
IN 2007, DREW, IN HIS 7th SEASON AND SECOND WITH SEAN PAYTON STARTED THE SEASON THROWING 9 INTERCEPTIONS AND ONLY 1 TD. lol. In 2010, Drew threw interceptions in more games than Jameis did when he threw 30. Gat dern; Drew is one of the greatest QBs to ever play this game but he was far from perfect.
I told you why completion percentage was finicky:
Jameis threw longer passes at a much higher rate (and huge part of his completions and attempts) than Carr. Passes less than 10 yards makes us the vast majority of Carr's completion percentage. Because he throws those shorter passes at a much higher volume, those dictate how the calculations are actually "weighed." But this is why CPOE was created and this is why Jameis has a higher CPOE than DC4. Once you peel back the layers of the completion percentage, then it goes into the "eye test" and as we have establish, when you put all of your focus on a player, you miss everything else. Anyone who watched any game since 2021 would know that the bigger problems resided outside of the QB position.
The funny thing is you are saying that you play the hand that you are dealt but then make excuses to why Carr hasn't succeeded.
I’ll tell you what’s going on. When I ask my brain to run footage of JW as a Saint, my brain shows me multiple plays of a cautious guy trying to place the ball followed by a collapse where he threw multi picks over and over. In my mind it was one game, but in reality it was his time as a Saints QB. What you saw, because apparently you are a big fan of his and you wanted him to succeed extremely bad, and was emotionaly hurt when he didn’t. And there’s Nothing wrong with that. In your minds replay of JW game footage, you’re seeing all of the good passes and TDs etc etc. My point is, is that there’s nothing anyone can say, that would cause my brain to run different footage from the footage that is already seared in the brain flesh. And apparently same goes for you. I’ll say it again, he’s needs time, he’s not ready yet. As we have said, some QB thrive in systems that others do not. Maybe SPs system wasnt for JW? But one thing is for sure, is that he didn’t get enough quality time behind the wheel until he got injured. You never know, he could’ve played one more game, then it all clicks. I think he was trying to do too much. Holding the ball too long, taking unnecessary hits. I think it was TB LB White that cheap shot JW tho. But again, you see a completely different JW than I see.
Jameis has only thrown multiple picks 3 times in 10 games with the Saints. And in one of those games, it was a tipped pass and a last minute hail mary. Were you really watching the games?
And contrary to popular belief, I'm not emotionally tied to a player succeeding or failing because it doesn't equal my success, I don't gamble, nor play fantasy football..lol. And you think that I'm just seeing good passes when in the same post, I said that Jameis made bad passes and reads. What I don't do is grade him on a standard that we never held Drew to. Drew made horrible throws; there was never 4k photos to critique them. Drew made plenty of bad reads but we didn't have articles on articles talking about it. And I will say this again; when your "eye test" defaults to being "overly critical," it can't be trusted because all of your focus on that player, and that player alone. If all you can speak about if how many yards Jameis threw for without even acknowledging the situation of the team, what all were you looking at?
And Jameis held the ball longer because his IAY is higher than most. The further you throw the ball, the longer your actually hold it. :shrug:
You know what I mean about late bloomer. You also know for SPs system to work, there needs to be a minimum of 300 yards per game. Remember, Sean throws to set up the run. Not like most teams that do the opposite. if you don’t complete those easy passes, you can’t run either. The system fails.
What if I told you, from 2017 - 2020, Drew only threw 17 300+ games out of 54 starts? Matter of fact, from 2017 to his retirement, Drew only averaged like 260 yards per game.
And the whole pass to run thing doesn't fly for 2021 because who did we have running the ball? AK and AK alone...lol. When Mark Ingram left, we had Murray. When Murray left in 2021, who did we have? Crap, we can say the same thing regarding this past season. Run game was FLAT.