PFF - have y'all seen this

jahsoul357 said
Actually, I wasn't trying to establish any ground work a future debate. haha. I was just saying that the team will probably look different, as it looked different with Stidham running the show, as he has been in that system for years. And if Carr struggled in McDaniels' system, why would you expect him to be given full control? He wasn't demoted; he had to learn an offense that wasn't based off an WCO.

It seems like you are missing Duece and Reggie in that. And Drew didn't always make the right read; again, this perceptions is coming from the Deification of Drew. We started 2007 0-4 and Drew averaged 232 yards per game and threw 1 touchdown and 9 interceptions in those games. Let me repeat; IN 2007, DREW, IN HIS 7th SEASON AND SECOND WITH SEAN PAYTON STARTED THE SEASON THROWING 9 INTERCEPTIONS AND ONLY 1 TD. lol. In 2010, Drew threw interceptions in more games than Jameis did when he threw 30. Gat dern; Drew is one of the greatest QBs to ever play this game but he was far from perfect.

I told you why completion percentage was finicky:
Jameis threw longer passes at a much higher rate (and huge part of his completions and attempts) than Carr. Passes less than 10 yards makes us the vast majority of Carr's completion percentage. Because he throws those shorter passes at a much higher volume, those dictate how the calculations are actually "weighed." But this is why CPOE was created and this is why Jameis has a higher CPOE than DC4. Once you peel back the layers of the completion percentage, then it goes into the "eye test" and as we have establish, when you put all of your focus on a player, you miss everything else. Anyone who watched any game since 2021 would know that the bigger problems resided outside of the QB position.

The funny thing is you are saying that you play the hand that you are dealt but then make excuses to why Carr hasn't succeeded.

Jameis has only thrown multiple picks 3 times in 10 games with the Saints. And in one of those games, it was a tipped pass and a last minute hail mary. Were you really watching the games?
And contrary to popular belief, I'm not emotionally tied to a player succeeding or failing because it doesn't equal my success, I don't gamble, nor play fantasy football..lol. And you think that I'm just seeing good passes when in the same post, I said that Jameis made bad passes and reads. What I don't do is grade him on a standard that we never held Drew to. Drew made horrible throws; there was never 4k photos to critique them. Drew made plenty of bad reads but we didn't have articles on articles talking about it. And I will say this again; when your "eye test" defaults to being "overly critical," it can't be trusted because all of your focus on that player, and that player alone. If all you can speak about if how many yards Jameis threw for without even acknowledging the situation of the team, what all were you looking at?

And Jameis held the ball longer because his IAY is higher than most. The further you throw the ball, the longer your actually hold it. :shrug:

What if I told you, from 2017 - 2020, Drew only threw 17 300+ games out of 54 starts? Matter of fact, from 2017 to his retirement, Drew only averaged like 260 yards per game.
And the whole pass to run thing doesn't fly for 2021 because who did we have running the ball? AK and AK alone...lol. When Mark Ingram left, we had Murray. When Murray left in 2021, who did we have? Crap, we can say the same thing regarding this past season. Run game was FLAT.

I haven’t deep dived into Carrs play at the Raiders under JM. Did he struggle did he not struggle? Did he not comprehend the system or was it a physical limitation? Both? Neither?. I don’t know, but what I do know is that the Raiders hired a coach that has extremely strong ties with Jimmy G. And now he’s their QB. And his QB (Carr) at the time was cut before the season ended. Coincidence? I think not. Did JM really give Carr a fair shake? Not at all. Imagine your reaction if it was JW being cut in that manner. At least when JW went out it was to injury and not financial.

about JW/DB comparisons: We were devastated by a hurricane in 2005 and prior to that til 1967, that’s 38 years, the Saints only mustered one playoff win. In 2006, we not only win the division and a playoff game, we make it to the NFC Championship. The Saints fans went from absolutely zero hope to Supernowl hopeful in 1 year. So you can’t bring up 2007, without acknowledging 2006. Because of this tremendous accomplishment DB and SP have earned the right to be without scrutiny, be it warranted or not. Comparing any Saints QB to Db is pointless. It became clear immediately that SPs system and QB were the right fit. DB ypa dropped in his later years, that’s to be expected.

because his IAY is higher than most : One specific criticism I recall vividly, is that JW held on to the ball too long only to throw deep into tight coverage, incomplete. While the middle of the field was WIDE open. So wide open that kamara later complained that he wasn’t getting the ball. This tells me that JW has not yet gotten comfortable with the system. The system as we’ve heard many many times, is take what the defense gives you. He did not do this, he forced the ball when he should’ve dumped it off or hit the wide open WR over the middle. And again, the only reason JW is not the QB is due to injury. Then why did he lose his job when he was finally healthy? Was he ever healthy? Was he an ascending player in the first few games? Ans: Slowly. He needed at least 3-4 more games to see.