PFF - have y'all seen this
*today was the day that I had to let
@TribuneUK know that wins are a team stat*
You do know wins are a team stat, right? But you are absolute right from a stat perspective; Carr had 6 more TDs in 6 more games and Jameis threw more interceptions. Outside of that, they were dang near equal in everything else with metrics leaning towards Jameis. Anyone that can read stats would tell you that they were pretty much virtually identical in individual stats. (other than the little detail of the Bucs having a higher point per game average than the Raiders while their defense gave up more points over those 4 seasons). This is the thing; when people bring up Derek Carr stats, they only talk about the Gruden years. When people talk about Jameis, they talk about his single season with Arians. You understand how that works now?
You can't help yourself. You can't help but defend Jameis, even if the criticism someone posted was actually deleted.
Do you know why I deleted it? Because I knew you wouldn't be able to see any validity in it. You can't take the guy off that pedestal you've built him. It's just not possible for you to see it.
The reason I don't engage with you on these stats you keep trying to use, is because you apply such patently inappropriate equivalences. Throwing 14 more interceptions in 6 less games is "dang near equal" - can you hear yourself? 58 interceptions in 56 games. 58. In the modern era of football.
You've clung so desperately to the notion that Winston's brand was damaged by Arians, but his body of work before that, which you've tried to justify, is still littered with poor results and turnovers.
Did you know that, before his final season in TB was done, he was already the NFL's career leader in committing turnovers on an opening drive? The all time NFL leader in less than 5 seasons. Can you imagine the damage it does to your chances of winning the game to give it straight to the opposition right at the outset? Not just occasionally, but several times a season. You can't blame Arians for all those opening drives before he was even coach, although by then Jameis had it down to a fine art - there was a stretch of 4 consecutive games where he did it in 2019, IIRC.
Coaches and teams hate turnovers. Most of the time, when you lose the turnover battle, you lose the game. QBs who turn the ball over a lot and don't win, don't stick around long. It's why 'gunslinger' is a dirty word in the NFL now. Fans might get jazzed about passing for thousands of yards, but teams would be delighted if they threw it for under 100 a game and still won every time. Because stats are just numbers arranged together, they don't equal wins.
And every successful QB is defined by the wins they contribute to, whether it's from their arm or their ability to hand off. Their ability to maintain drives, not turn the ball over, make key decisions on critical downs. Those things count. If you don't do those things, they let you go.
The Bucs let Jameis go. The Saints tried, but ultimately decided to go with AD. Now they have decided to go with Carr. I know JW's a good ol' Bessemer boy, but that doesn't excuse some painful facts.
I don't dislike JW. I dislike your illogical fascination with him as something he is not. At least not yet, I hope he finds his late career renaissance, but they tend to be rare.
There, did I talk enough football for you?
Just to be clear, every question I just asked is rhetorical. I'm not interested in a response this time 😐