Yeah, Lutz was unproven at one time. But when we signed Lutz it was because we let a real good kicker in Dustin Hopkins go for a rookie kicker, I think his last name was Hocker, that looked good in the preseason and then couldn't hit the broad side of a barn during the season and then the kicker carousel started. Lutz was a need back then. Grupe is not a need today. Let's not make that same mistake again of letting a really good kicker be released or be traded away again.