I'm with you on that. I'm mostly thinking what the heck happened to Ram and McCoy? They were very good 2-3 yrs ago, did they just forget how to play? CR was playing pretty well last yr.If Ram and Mac were playing like themselves we could overcome TP's growing pains and maybe even some sub-par performances by Hurst and CR, but it's EVERYONE. Penning may have been our best playing O lineman on Sun. Maybe it's Marrone, but somebody has to light a fire under these guys