Derrick Carr is just who Raiders fans said he was.

44slayer said
He was infinitely better with the Raiders.

100% of this is on Loomis, DA and Pete.

I refuse to judge players ability playing for this staff.

The lack of effort is inexcusable, so thats one thing. But I cant judge how good these players are or arent until this staff is gone. I think they are bad enough to remove any talent a player might have from the equation.
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+1. 8 first round picks used (some under Payton to be sure) on the OL and DL, and what kind of production/achievement? How much is busts vs coaching? I completely agree that we can't be sure the players are terrible until we get a real NFL coaching staff.