Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)

Heathen Saint said
...So we're just going to ignore decades of Israel's racism, mistreatment, illegal occupation etc in all of this? Maybe 'who started it' is more complex than something that happened 20 days ago.

I don't have a 'side' in all of this. I condemn the massacre by Hamas like any other reasonable person. But I feel like anyone questioning Israel is labeled 'Pro Hamas' by the throngs.

I just posit that ignoring basically all other historical context here leading up to the attacks would be quite head-in-sand.

Who started it in the way you speak is much more complicated and I don’t take a position (although if I did I would say we there West probably started it). But when they slaughtered all those people, they knew Israel would have no choice so they willingly killed innocents on both sides of the lines. It’s happening

we started it with the events that led to 911 if you take your position. we certainly didn’t retaliate correctly, but are you suggesting we should not have retaliated at all?