A microcosm of Winston’s career
What does a higher % of his wins coming from GWD's have to do with him turning the ball over more in those situations? You just took a left turn and then another left turn. Better yet, what does this have to do with him punting the ball for an int with the game on the line last week? It's OK because he's done it for a small % in the past? Like, makes 0 sense.
You brought up 50 game winning drives and I said that relative to their total wins, a higher rate of his wins comes from GWDs, putting your notion to bring up game winning drives to rest, as it was irrelevant. And just because I had a little time on my hand before my next call, I chose to do a little exercise just for you.
Going through all 90 games that Winston has played in, when they are within a single score (8 points or less) in the last 2 drives of the 4th Q or OT, a game has ended in a turnover 9 times, and this is not taking into account the situation (time, down and distance, or turnover type).
Fun facts about that.
From 2015-2018, Winston had only 3 games that ended in a turnover using the criteria set. (Interception on 4th and 12 with less than a minute left, sack fumble, and hail mary with less than 20 seconds left).
2021 - 0
2022 - 1 (Panthers Hail Mary)
2023 - Yesterday's game.
4 out of 9 games that ended using the criteria set came in 2019. This further drives home the notion that most people's view of Winston comes from the narrative built around the 2019 season. Winston had 3 GWDs as a rookie. How could the narrative around him be that he will end games with a turnover when in a 4 season stretch, that only happened 3 times.
And just to show how GWDs was irrelevant to the point; From 2021 until now (42 games), Derek Carr has 6 games that follow the criteria set that ended with a turnover credited to him. So how can a person whose calling card is GWDs actually have a higher rate of games where they turn the ball over than the person who somehow gained that reputation.
A lot of narratives and talking points don't make sense when they are actually placed under scrutiny and that's all I ever say. :shrug:
"That means that you should have equal or more energy for Grupe missing the FG that would have put us in the lead, right?"
Irrelevant to his play. He got in the game with a 17-point lead and lost the game. He did exactly what a backup is not supposed to do in that situation. He's bad. His decision making is bad. He's careless with the football. All those things have shown up every time he's been in the game for us this year. I don't understand why we even have to have this argument every time the offense struggles. Is Carr an above average QB? No. Is he better than Jameis Winston? Yes. It's really that simple.
We can say that it is irrelevant to his play but we also can talk about the defense dropping the ball, PC conservative play calling on top of crazy 3rd down play calling, receivers running to the same location, and those few missed plays that Winston had. Anybody looking at film could see that he didn't play bad at all, but that also didn't get us any points. When in got in place to score....Grupe missed.
And like I asked all offseason, what makes Carr better in a game when scoring matters. I'm pretty sure that if Winston started a game with the same play calls that we give Carr, we win easy. But hey, we will never know..lol.