Brother, I really understand what you are saying, really I do. But this team was a true laughing stock at one time and that stench took a very long time to correct. All I am saying is that this present team has true talent on it and although they aren't playing up standards set by Drew and coach Payton, they are nowhere near as bad as the Saints of old. There are a lot of teams that wish they had a team as good as the Saints have been the past decade. The team has gotten older for sure and needs better coaching, but I am willing to root thru the tough times because I know what wining a championship feels like. That championship made a lot of people stop the "AINTS/baghead" talk. The bottom line is that I am grateful to not be a Detroit Lion, and DIRTY TURD fan. Those teams are still looking up to the Saints. WHO DAT!!