Both franchises are currently mid, the Pels can't escape the underachieving aspect either. When it comes to the Saints, I just think they have no idea how to proceed because the Alpha, aka, Sean Payton isn't there anymore. You can't tell me its a copycat league then go against league trends when you hire DA as head coach. Defensive minded head coaches aint how the league is going and it hasn't gone that way for years. A successful defensive coach is an anomaly in today's NFL unless you have Tom Brady.