Marvel getting desperate
was this to me bc i didn't reply?
i'm just now realizing that i read this at a light at the beginning of my commute - that usually death for any post or email to me
class is coming in so i probably won't address for awhile
Maybe haha! You're always pretty quick to reply, and I was looking forward to your thoughts on the rest of my reply.
I'm not buying this reasoning because the slowdown in box office revenue started after Endgame. You'd have to attribute what you call "pollution" to something else because woman SS isn't even a thing yet.
Post-Endgame movies in chronological order:
Jul 2, 2019 Spider-Man: Far From Home $1,132,107,522
Jul 9, 2021 Black Widow $379,751,131
Sep 3, 2021 Shang-Chi and the Legend of… $432,224,634
Nov 5, 2021 Eternals $401,731,759
Dec 17, 2021 Spider-Man: No Way Home $1,907,836,254
May 6, 2022 Doctor Strange in the Multi… $952,224,986
Jul 8, 2022 Thor: Love and Thunder $760,928,081
Nov 11, 2022 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever $853,985,546
Feb 17, 2023 Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quant… $463,635,303
May 5, 2023 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 $845,468,744
Nov 10, 2023 The Marvels $186,927,954
Box office increased for Spider-Man, Dr Strange, and Guardians. Slightly lower for Thor. Markedly lower for Black Panther 2 and Ant Man 3. Not great for Shang Chi, Black Widow, and Eternals. Abysmal for The Marvels. The BO increases were peppered throughout the post-Endgame slate, so I don't think we can just say it's slower post-Endgame in general. But my point is that they have/had a winning formula. Changing SS to a woman is not part of that previous winning formula... I don't think they did anything like that during the Endgame era, other than The Ancient One (who is not particularly a "main character" in the comics. Important, yes... SS-level in a Galactus/FF movie? No).
Not necessarily. That said, there are a lot of subtle and not so subtle differences between MCU characters and while there are important similarites there are also important difference. Nothing really wrong with either approach.
Keep in mind Kevin Fiege is a comics reader and knows the lore well. That said, he adapted characters from the Comics to the big screen. Some have liked it, and others not so much.
Can you name a few "important" difference on the level of changing SS to a woman, during the Endgame era? You may be right, but I am having a difficult time thinking of any such differences.
i think there are myriad reasons. Movie going in mired in a pretty bad slump, and The Marvels got hit by that trend. That said they've been outperformed by a couple of features. That's not good for Marvel.
But why only The Marvels? Why didn't GOTG3 get hit by that slump/trend? Does The Marvels get a pass for some reason? It sort of feels like people wanted GOTG, but they didn't want The Marvels.
I dunno, they did market it some, but it wasn't plastered everywhere like Oppenheimer and Barbie in the middle of the summer. Others get the enthusiasm for it because they haven't watched Ms. Marvel or Captain Marvel.
Agreed that it was definitely not as prevalent as Opp or Barbie marketing. Was it marketed any less than GOTG3, do you think? Or Ant Man Quantumania?
They have done that to some degree. What do you think they've been doing the last 15 years?
Correct, they have been doing so for the last 15 years. The majority of Endgame era would fall into that realm of "using the source material". That comment was more directed at SS gender swap. Why not use the source material for SS? Why not stay true to the character?