Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO)
I know I brought it up, but I don't want to turn this into a Jameis debate. We've had plenty of those.
It's not a debate, as both (along with Dalton) have been our starting QBs the last 2 seasons, so a conversation around what could help them succeed
But both of these guys have been in the league for close to a decade, with several head coaches and coordinators. They have a combined 2 playoff appearances (both losses by Carr). I can't remember a revival of a bad QB career ever occurring this far into a QBs career.
You are equating team success to QB with they aren't always exclusive (as most people on here will attest to when looking at our losing seasons).
And when bring up coaching.
-Derek Carr had DA (who was fired for just sucking), Del Rio (fired after he got rid of Musgrave), Gruden (Email-Gate), and JMD (SMH)
-Winston had Lovie Smith (who was fired for fielding a bad defense), Dirk Koetter (who was fired for fielding a horrible defense), and Bruce Arians (who ran a complex and volatile offense)
If you talk about bad QB career, it would be a lot of things that have to be ignored in reality and using team success is on the last things that we should use when determining that.
Not that they can't be starting QBs, but that they aren't turning into the strong part of a team.
Except they've already have been. 2015-2016 Carr and 2020 Carr was really good. And contrary to popular belief on here, Winston has always been a top half QB when objective stats/metrics were used and was the QB of the 3rd best offense in 2019.
That is what I'm talking about. I acknowledge coaching is essential for these kind of players, but it takes a unicorn of a coach to turn them into stars you don't have to worry about. We'll never know what Payton could have done with Jameis ( I thought he made his less likely to turn the ball over, but also made him boring). I think that is where we are at the moment. We either need a unicorn coach for our current QBs or we need a new QB and coach. Coach we can do now, QB we can do in the draft though Carr will be around for a while.
You don't need a unicorn coach. Just a coach to build around their strengths, just like every other QB. Honest question, what does "turn them into stars you don't have to worry about" actually means and what would we have to actually worry about?
The irony of it all is the QBs who we say are "the best in the league" are the ones with unicorn coaches....
New QB and coach. I've seen what Payton has done with a Russ who looked totally washed last season and I don't have much faith in anyone outside of Sean being able to make Jameis more serviceable. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jameis sign in Denver as a backup just to be with Sean again.
His 2018 numbers after getting his starting spot back was eerily similar his efficiency with Payton. Instead of keeping Monken and building on that, he got "no risk it, no biscuit." lol