Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO)

Elvis said
I don't want to nitpick the coaches both of them have had with you. It reeks of excuse making for mid players and coaches. If they had been a good match, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Nah, it reeks of the lack of nuance. Coaching matters and the most successful quarterbacks we have in the league with the best offenses have THE BEST COACHES. It is not nitpicking, but it is laying out the reality of the situation and this is a key reason why evaluating QBs based on performance is the worse. We don't take who is coaching them into consideration and the scheme into consideration.

Think about the QBs you don't consider "mid." Now think of who is coaching them. It's really that simple...lol

Elvis said
For the point you made that I quoted, I mean that you build a system that removes the bad tendencies and amplify their best tendencies and still has the QB looking like their natural selves. Jameis under Payton played like he was on a leash. It took away the things that made him who he is. That was both good and bad, but he certainly didn't look like he was playing with instinct. He looked like he was thinking about not turning the ball over every down and you don't want that. More time may have changed that to some degree, but it was not meant to be.

This actually points to something that I've said for a while. A lot of folks really didn't pay attention to the progression of our offense that season, especially after the Giants game. He wasn't on a leash per se. It's called installing an offense and it got started later than usual because the entire training camp and up until the last game of the pre-season, he was competing with Taysom. Knowing the coach that Sean Payton is, he began building his offense around Winston and if folks really paid attention, they could see it open up more. If he was named starter before the summer, that "leash" narrative wouldn't exist. lol

But this is also the perfect bridge to show that Pete Carmichael doesn't build around a player's strength and because Carr is really not a good fit for the offense, his deficiencies are magnified.