Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO)
Stafford already had a 5000 yard season with 41 TD’s under his belt before Caldwell ever showed up. He had more yards and more TD’s in the three years with Scott Linehan (2011-2013) preceding the first three years with Caldwell (2014-2016). His yards per attempt were also identical in those two three year spans (7.2), as was his TD % (4.4%). Whatever QBR measures, Stafford’s second lowest score in his career occurred the year Caldwell took over.
He threw 5k yards in 2011.
The next 2 season, he complete 59.6% of passes, threw 49TDs (3.6TD%) to 36 INTs(2.6%INT), with a 81.9 passer rating. By this board's standards, he had 1 good season and 3 bad seasons before Caldwell got there. He also then has 3 of his best seasons in terms of QBR under Caldwell. Many saw Caldwell being the turnaround in his career.
It can happen, but I think it is very much the exception. One thing I do know, the QB’s that end up in a new system practically every year almost never get better. Carr will be under his 4th play caller in four years if/when we move on from PC. It makes me think of a comment Shanahan made, he said that Matt Ryan had a lot more football in his head compared to Purdy when trying to install his system. Ryan actually got worse his first year under Shanahan, posting his worst QB rating in six years before rebounding as the league MVP. I don’t foresee instant success with any OC we’re able to get in the door, and then you have to decide whether our chances are good enough to keep it going in 2025.
Matt Ryan is a great example to use, as he was one that was also screwed by being in multiple offenses. Instead of mastering the way the offense works, they basically have to dump all of that to learn a new system. When he gets into a system that his perfect for him, Shanny leaves, they bring in Sark and the rest is history..lol.
I was going to say something regarding this....
"Ryan actually got worse his first year under Shanahan, posting his worst QB rating in six years before rebounding as the league MVP. I don’t foresee instant success with any OC we’re able to get in the door, and then you have to decide whether our chances are good enough to keep it going in 2025."
But I chose to leave it alone because that would require a football convo (which we could have offline) but for general consumption, it would be a lot "moving parts."
You are too hung up on systems and schemes, they are not the panacea of everything. Every system and schemes has similarities and differences . And no one takes snaps under center most of the game. A system/scheme can't make a bad QB good and a system/scheme can't make a good QB bad / It's always a marriage.
What similarities did our offense in Brees' prime share with the system in New England or the Packer's system? Not much.
Different offensive philosophies, different ways to go through progressions, different ways to call protections, the WR have different responsibilities, etc, etc.
Also, what determines a good or bad QB? I agree that it is a marriage but scheming and coaching matters, a lot.
Let me ask you; why do you think Trevor Lawrence was the worst starting QB in the league in 2021?
Plus systems change and adapt. You can't say Manning played in 1 system his whole career because that system adapted and changed , not top to bottom but it adapted every yr they all do
Systems adapt but the core philosophy doesn't. Changes were made to our offense to suit what Drew was good at, what he became good at, and then what he stopped becoming good at, with Payton always looking for ways to exploits mismatches.
And Peyton Manning ran the same offense that he ran with the Colts in Denver. They tried earlier in that system to run McCoy's offense and after losing, Manning went full Colts. The only real changes Manning saw was running the Colts offense in different formations.