Derek Carr - Why People Dislike Him (IMO)

Rouxble said
My point is he already displayed that he could play at an elite level in this league before Caldwell got there. I’m not saying coaching is completely irrelevant, but I would say Caldwell with Stafford is a lot different than, say, Waldron getting the best football out of Geno.

Thing is, we never knew Geno's actual potential because, you know, the Jets...lol.

But something you mentioned has me thinking. We have 2 QBs in our QB room that at one time were voted as one of the top 100 players in the league by their peers. They have performed at a high level even though they weren't placed in the best situations. You have to think; if they were in a place that maximized their potential, the sky is the limit.

Rouxble said
I would say this is another good example of coaching making a difference, imagine if the Falcons hired Shanahan instead of Quinn as HC in 2015. That would be a significant rewrite of recent football history. The Falcons failed Ryan long term by bringing in a defensive HC, even though they got close to winning it all in 2016.

I know many on this board agree you want an offensive HC, because if your offense is good under a defensive HC you won’t be able to keep your OC for long. Compared to an ideal HC-QB pairing, there is no equivalent pairing on defense. Assuming the offensive HC is competent, the HC and QB grow together, continuing to build on the foundation installed back in their first training camp together. Having some stability at the skill positions also plays a role, QB’s and receivers continue to develop a chemistry that can transcend the playbook at times.

Agree 100%!!!

sfidc3 said
To me the great QB's like above have something that works in almost any NFL offensive system.....elite field vision, more valuable than anything else.....

I would say that it took experience though. Crap, Manning had elite field vision but he had a problem with a term that people love using around here; "decision making."