I agree that you can't remove the previous 16 years for Loomis before Dennis Allen. However you can look at the years that he didn't have Sean Payton here. His records in those years are 9-7, 8-8, 8-8, 7-10, and 9-8. I'm not counting 2005 for obvious reasons, I can't hold that against him. Its not a huge sample size but if you look at those records I have to say he's pretty consistent. You can pretty much say that unless he gets a good to great coach this franchise will just be the definition of mediocrity.