right, but at the same time, take Brady from BB and i am pretty sure none remembers BB. Brady went on to win the SB and make the playoffs 3 times with another team. i have no doubt Brady made BB.
The first few years, that Patriots team was loaded, and Brady was good, but no one was predicting HoF for him. Without Brady, Belichick probably wins 2 SBs early 2000's, but obviously Belichick doesn't go on the 20 year run he went on without Brady (and the refs, and the worst division in football 20 years running :hihi: )