Jared Goff and the Lions agree to 4 year $212M extension.

Deuuuuce said
Idk man. you and I and disagree about the impact of coaching all the time. It’s more about the players on the field for me. Players win games. Detroit has a lot of great players on offense. They’re not running any plays no one else has run before. It’s mainly the players executing it.

Oh...I agree with you 100%. Execution has to be there and it's up to the coaches to ensure that they are prepared and also ensure that the players are put in position to succeed. Detroit has all the pieces needed to win a Super Bowl but that foundation was built on the culture that DC brought in (and Ben Johnson killing it..lol)

Rouxble said
I tend to agree with you. I always use Shanahan as the example since he is seen as one of the best coaches in the game right now.

49ers record with Purdy or Garoppolo starting: 55-21 (.724)
49ers record with any other starting QB: 9-30 (.231)

Change one player, and it's the equivalent of a 12-5 team compared to a 4-13 team. Coaches of 4-13 teams get fired. Of course, other players on the team are affecting the win totals, but Garoppolo was winning with the same teams that Mullens, Hoyer, Beathard, etc. couldn't win with.

Garoppolo record when he started less than half the games in the season: 9-5 (.643)
Other QB record in those same seasons: 7-27 (.206)

He had more wins with Garoppolo starting in 14 games than he could pull off with the QB carousel in 34 games.

It is fair to say that good coaches and good players make each other better, but coaching will not get it done alone. You may be able to string together some tough victories, but being a legitimate contender year after year can't be done without talent.

Crazy enough, Shanahan is probably used because he is the only coach considered an offensive genius that can produce such an anomaly. lol The reigning coach of the year won it because he made it to the playoffs with 5 different QBs (which confirms my thoughts that if we would have made the playoffs in 2021, CSP would have won coach of the year). I'm trying to think of any other coach considered an offensive genius that has such a disparity.

Deuuuuce said
Look at Sean Payton, Bill Bellichik, and to some degree Nick Saban(when he was in the NFL)…Great coaches but they are nothing without great players around them.

Sean Payton's Saints record without Drew is actually fantastic and Bill Belichick's issue in New England had a lot to do with coaching (seems like we forget they won 10 games with Josh McDaniels and then immediately crapped the bed offensively once he left)