The Electric Vehicle (EV) discussion thread (Merged)

superchuck500 said
The average price of a new ICE car sold in the United States right now is $47,218. The average price of a new EV sold in the US is $53,758. The top 5 most popular EV cars sold in the US right now have models priced under the average ICE car price, including the popular Tesla Model 3 ($38,990) and the Hyundai Ioniq-5 ($41,650). People are spending big money on new cars, both ICE and EV - new cars are just expensive these days.

I know this will come as a shock to some posters here that can afford $100k+ vehicles but... When (According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor), the average U.S. annual salary in Q4 of 2023 is $59,384... affording a vehicle that's $40k is out of reach... a price difference of $5k is a deal breaker... when you don't own a house and can't supply a charging station, even a used EV isn't an option... Without charging infra outside most high-population areas... If you don't use the EV for commutes only... How do you make consistent necessary long distance trips without buying a secondary ICE vehicle? Is there an EV that's going to pull my 8k lbs camper, 4wheeler, pontoon boat, and make it through the mud (new or used) that I can get for under $80K? Can I charge it in the woods?

Look lawyer guy (LOL) - I am not trying to be a downer on EVs... I am fine with the concept, and certainly not against the advancement of the EV market... I was one of the first people to go out an buy a hybrid in the early 2000's (for my wife when we lived in the city and had a commute - It made sense and cents)

The fact of the matter is that EVs are no longer new to the market... and they have a miniscule footprint in it because none of the things I am talking about are being meaningfully addressed... It will stay around the levels they are at IMO (or fall due to new buyers going cheaper routes due to insane inflation) unless the industry and officials address consumer needs and concerns.

Even if they do... there will always be a large portion of the US that simply will not want them, and simply can't afford them. A close family member of mine is a GFM of a huge used car dealership on the Gulf Coast - they won't even buy anymore EVs at auction... They can't sell them... They sit on the lot 3X longer than ICE's and they end up giving them away.

Much has to change before EVs work for a the majority of the US.