did i hear mort say we are near a deal w/giants for shockey

Please do not trade our second rounder for any offensive player.

As I wrote on another thread, I can't have a problem with Shockey's personality if Payton doesn't either. He had coached him for years and knows him perfectly.

But we need to get a linebacker and a corner to possibly start next year. We can say now that free agency came and went because there are no solid starters available now.

I would prefer to wait until draft day, and as we expect if at #10 Ellis, Dorsey and Gholston are not available, then I would prefer to switch first rounders instead of giving up our second.

Another thing, since the draft may bring some surprises, I will wait and see and possibly trade down, and after then make an other offer for Shockey if we really want him.

I know most people are dissapointed, but I don't want the saints to make moves for the sake of making them. Gay at a high salary makes no sense to me. Giving up a first day on an offensive player either.

I agree. There will be too much defensive talent available in the 2nd for us to trade that pick. We need to use our first two '08 picks on defense.