Tyreek Hill arrested for traffic violation by stadium in Miami on gameday (Hill played) [Reckless driving & seatbelt charges dismissed]
Again, you're comparing apples and peanuts. They're not remotely the same thing and the ground rules are different for both.
Apples and peanuts are both edible. They both can be consumed raw. They both can be grown in North America. They both can be made into butter. The fact that they're not identical doesn't mean they can't be compared in some respects.
The similarity that prison and police work have is that they both involve use of force. I'm not sure why you dispute that so vehemently. I agreed with you that they are not perfectly comparable, and I wasn't even the forum participant who introduced the comparison.
It takes little skill to take someone's documents and go process a ticket. It doesn't take that much skill to remain professional with a civilian who may not be responding well in a stressful situation, and getting pulled over is always a stressful ordeal. A well-trained cop understands this and is why they're supposed to use de-escelation actions to calm a given situation rather than pour gas on the fire as happened here.
From what I see the cop was in defusal mode up until 1:20 in the interaction. I'm not sure where this cop would rank on the global skill level but Hill was obviously afforded multiple opportunities to avoid a physical interaction. I'd argue with you that it's easy to interact with civilians who have committed crimes or misdemeanors, but we seem to disagree on enough already! :ROFLMAO:
This is simply not true. Reeks of making excuses for bad cop behavior. The cop who had TH's ID had already started walking away to process the ticket when he rolled the window up, which is when TH called his agent to let him know what was going on. The cop on the left in the video has a freakout and starts rapping on the window and Hill rolled os window 1/3 of the way. Literally seconds later he's getting pulled out of the car. Talk about going 0-100 in no time. They gave him no time to open the door and let himself out. At no time did he impede the officers or threaten their safety, period.
Respectfully disagree. Sometimes people just see a situation differently--even when it's on video. I think the in-person discussion that a jury affords helps reconcile these differences.
Cracking the window open enough to have a conversation was all that was needed.
100% agree. If Hill cracked the window we likely would never be having this conversation.
Some states dont require registration or insurance papers as that's already on record. In this day in age when all of that information is easily obtainable, a license is all that should be required. That varies base on jurisdiction. And the cops never made an issue of that anyway so I'm not sure why you're bringing it up.
Fair enough--in my state license/insurance/registration are separate papers. The license is for the driver. The insurance is obtained from a private company for the car, and the registration is from the state. I would hand all three over if I wanted to withstand a traffic stop that didn't involve opening my windows.
You and I interpret waking away differently then. The cop took 2 steps towards the motorcycles to go process the ticket and it was at that point TH rolled up his window. The cop on the left got butthurt that TH rolled up the window and understandably TH became defensive at that point. You've got a group of belligerent cops at the window after providing ID, what do you think is about to happen?
Agree that he had about two steps toward his motorcycle and was standing directly by the window when Hill rolled it down. Agreed that the cop was "butthurt" and look forward to seeing that terminology used in the casework. I don't think Hill became defensive till that door came open. The classic moment when a bully realizes their target is going to put up a fight.
They never once said they needed it. The cop had what he needed and never asked for additional documents. The police had never said anything related to that. And the visibility thing is nonsense. They were able to see what was up when the window was open and TH gave them his ID. After he closed the window and cracked it back open, there was nothing blocking interaction there. There's absolutely no excuse for the escalating. I've seen cops let much worse go.
Respectfully disagree. Will be interesting to see how Hill proceeds legally from here.
How? I'm not seeing a strawman here, so explain why you think it is.
"Lemme guess, you are puzzled because the only thing you are willing to fight for in the Bill of Rights is the 2nd Amendment, the 4th be damned."
You don't see how this is a strawman argument? It asserts that I'm only willing to fight for the 2nd Amendment, when I am in fact in favor of an immediate, nationwide assault weapons ban.