Tyreek Hill arrested for traffic violation by stadium in Miami on gameday (Hill played) [Reckless driving & seatbelt charges dismissed]
Apples and peanuts are both edible. They both can be consumed raw. They both can be grown in North America. They both can be made into butter. The fact that they're not identical doesn't mean they can't be compared in some respects.
I mean, suit yourself, but it doesn't hold water to me. They're different scenarios that require different responses.
The similarity that prison and police work have is that they both involve use of force. I'm not sure why you dispute that so vehemently. I agreed with you that they are not perfectly comparable, and I wasn't even the forum participant who introduced the comparison.
I dispute it because no force was required with TH. That's the difference. The cops chose to use force when it wasn't warranted. And this is precisely why the cop was fired.
And who brought it up is irrelevant.
From what I see the cop was in defusal mode up until 1:20 in the interaction. I'm not sure where this cop would rank on the global skill level but Hill was obviously afforded multiple opportunities to avoid a physical interaction. I'd argue with you that it's easy to interact with civilians who have committed crimes or misdemeanors, but we seem to disagree on enough already! :ROFLMAO:
There was nothing to defuse up until that point. You had an understandably nervous Hill telling them not to knock on the window and go do what you gotta do. He's clearly stressed and nervous. A good cop will say thank you for the ID and will go process the ticket. And TH was not afforded anything of the sort. What the heck sort of comment is that? What exactly did Hill do that warranted a physical reaction? Speeding doesn't warrant a physical reaction, his comments didn't warrant a physical reaction, his rolling the window up, then back down 1/3 of the way didn't warrant a physical reaction. There's literally no reason to open his door and pull him out other than the cops being bullies. I mean, if defending bullies is your thing, ok then.
Respectfully disagree. Sometimes people just see a situation differently--even when it's on video. I think the in-person discussion that a jury affords helps reconcile these differences.
I'd love for this to go before a jury, the police would be in a world of hurt in a courtroom on this. There's a reason the cop was fired in this case.
100% agree. If Hill cracked the window we likely would never be having this conversation.
He did crack the window 1/3 of the way open. In fact, the cop even says they're taking him out of the car AFTER he's already opened the window. It's like he responded like a spoiled brat because he didn't get exactly what he wanted.
Fair enough--in my state license/insurance/registration are separate papers. The license is for the driver. The insurance is obtained from a private company for the car, and the registration is from the state. I would hand all three over if I wanted to withstand a traffic stop that didn't involve opening my windows.
What is done in your state is irrelevant. What matters is Florida and local laws. I give a cop whatever he asks me to give him. If he only says ID, I give him ID. If he asks for more, I give him whatever he requests. It's that simple.
Agree that he had about two steps toward his motorcycle and was standing directly by the window when Hill rolled it down. Agreed that the cop was "butthurt" and look forward to seeing that terminology used in the casework. I don't think Hill became defensive till that door came open. The classic moment when a bully realizes their target is going to put up a fight.
Irony thinking TH is the bully here. Smh.
Respectfully disagree. Will be interesting to see how Hill proceeds legally from here.
Sure, we'll see.
"Lemme guess, you are puzzled because the only thing you are willing to fight for in the Bill of Rights is the 2nd Amendment, the 4th be damned."
You don't see how this is a strawman argument? It asserts that I'm only willing to fight for the 2nd Amendment, when I am in fact in favor of an immediate, nationwide assault weapons ban.
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