What’s wild, at least to me, as someone who grew up in the church, had first communion & confession, served as an altar boy and the whole deal- is that Mary conceiving a child without ‘getting busy’ as it were, is not even the most far-fetched belief.. turning water into wine, anyone ? How about a guy literally parting a sea ?? I mean, if anyone here who is a true believer wants to come out and say ‘Hey, those things never happened, they are just symbolic’ - then we can have a conversation.. but if you are gonna sit here and insult my intelligence by claiming they did happen, i just dont know that an honest conversation is a possibility .