Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)

Heathen Saint said
I think it starts with being on the same page.

Being able to agree on certain basic terms like you mentioned.

For some odd reason that I haven’t heard a good explanation for yet, what’s happening to the people of Gaza isn’t a genocide. It seems we can’t even talk about it, much less agree on its definition — many just dismiss it from the get go without plausible reasoning behind why.

You could see why that would get frustrating.

Literal leaders in the subject, many Holocaust survivors and even Japan bombings survivors - have made this case.

https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/is-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/
Honestly?

I’d just love for us to actually have a conversation that digs into if the shoe fits, and only if the shoe fits…start there, and then go into other nuances.

I think that’s a starting point…..

A claim is made, so gather the evidence for and against with the least amount of bias interjected. I think most here ultimately care about truth, so we should strive to want to know that above all elseall.

The Holocaust was genocide. Jews did nothing but be Jews, and the Nazis tried to systematically exterminate

Gaza is Hamas. Hamas is hiding in in Gaza. A good number (if not the majority) of people in Gaza support Hamas and agree with "from the river to the sea" ideology that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, etc champion. Hamas is using human shields. When hospitals and schools blow up in Gaza, explosions an be seen that indicate munitions.

Yet, I don't see any mention on any of your posts about Hamas' culpability with what's happening in Gaza.

And I'll ask you once again, what do you think Israel is supposed to do?

If Israel wanted to systematically kill Gaza residents (commit genocide), they wouldn't be advertising incursions or bombings, and they'd be way more efficient than bombing buildings.

Japanese bomb survivors... what went around came around.