Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)
The Holocaust was genocide. Jews did nothing but be Jews, and the Nazis tried to systematically exterminate
Gaza is Hamas. Hamas is hiding in in Gaza. A good number (if not the majority) of people in Gaza support Hamas and agree with "from the river to the sea" ideology that Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, etc champion. Hamas is using human shields. When hospitals and schools blow up in Gaza, explosions an be seen that indicate munitions.
I believe this is severely flawed logic.
Simply because people agree with the beliefs of their militant doesn’t make them guilty by association.
Hell, if that’s the case, would it have been reasonable for most Americans who believed we should have invaded Iraq/Afghanistan, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, to be “guilty by association” and therefore free game for another side to murder?
How about Israelis, who have chanted “death to Arabs” in schools and systematically upheld mistreatment and racism against Muslim people for decades? Are they free game for Hamas to kill?
On a simpler level, do you think that it’s logical to blow up a school if a few school shooters are hiding out in the facility?
Because that seems to be the line of reasoning you’re going with. That it just is what it is because of the way Hamas works.
Yet, I don't see any mention on any of your posts about Hamas' culpability with what's happening in Gaza.
Any side has some culpability.
But as I’ve mentioned time and again, there’s a difference between retaliation militarily and using a military attack to justify slaughtering citizens associated with the same region en masse.
Unless you, again, think being guilty by association in any sense is all fair game.
And I'll ask you once again, what do you think Israel is supposed to do?
Not target civilians.
Not shoot toddlers in the head.
Not rape civilians they arrest and try to cover it up.
Not illegally capture men off the street, drive them in trucks blindfolded to a field and execute them and dump them in a hole they dug.
Not bomb ambulances with dying civilians in it.
Not starve children.
Do you want me to go on?
Because clearly these lives don’t mean as much, right? Otherwise, if they did, there wouldn’t be so many in American media stuck on October 7th —but “whatever” and repeating Israeli propaganda for all the same events and worse, to a tune of 50x (at least) worse in death count.
If Israel wanted to systematically kill Gaza residents (commit genocide), they wouldn't be advertising incursions or bombings, and they'd be way more efficient than bombing buildings.
Oh, they wouldn’t? It seems a little bold to assume you know this without a doubt.
Why would anyone do the things Israel has done on camera, on video, for the world to see?
Because they know with the backing of the world’s most powerful military (who also attacks the international court), they can get away with it.
Why would anyone do anything if they knew there would be potential huge repercussions for it? Because they know there’s a consequence.
Israel knows that they basically have no consequence legally because in this case, they won’t be held liable for their war crimes because they’ve been brainwashed by their religious fanaticism to think that they are justified and have the approval of the most powerful force on Earth to protect them.
And in Israel’s case, it’s just good old fashioned propaganda. Drop leaflets on civilians claiming “your govt is using you as human shields, evacuate to x place” — then Israel bombs you at x place claiming there was a terrorist amongst you. Makes it easy for Israel to wipe out large swaths of people at once.
Oh…and by the logic you mentioned - Why would Israel broadcast to terrorists amongst the public where the public should go next to not be killed? Come on…
Most could see how this is nothing more than a game. And there’s a clear and definitive pattern. Look into the history of Israeli terror against the Palestinian people. It didn’t begin on October 7th.