Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)
I believe this is severely flawed logic.
Simply because people agree with the beliefs of their militant doesn’t make them guilty by association.
Hell, if that’s the case, would it have been reasonable for most Americans who believed we should have invaded Iraq/Afghanistan, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians, to be “guilty by association” and therefore free game for another side to murder?
The real flaw here is to think Western ideology is equal or equivalent to Muslim ideology.
How about Israelis, who have chanted “death to Arabs” in schools and systematically upheld mistreatment and racism against Muslim people for decades? Are they free game for Hamas to kill?
How did all start? Who chanted death to ______ first?
On a simpler level, do you think that it’s logical to blow up a school if a few school shooters are hiding out in the facility?
Because that seems to be the line of reasoning you’re going with. That it just is what it is because of the way Hamas works.
Another misdirection. Israel has bombed schools because munitions, rockets, bombs, and Hamas leaders hide there. Israel even announces they are going to bomb the place... so why is it that there are civilians still in the building? Hamas makes them stay there to martyr themselves.
Any side has some culpability.
Sure, but you are taking only one side, the side of Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al-Qaeda...
But as I’ve mentioned time and again, there’s a difference between retaliation militarily and using a military attack to justify slaughtering citizens associated with the same region en masse.
Citizens are dying because Hamas is using them as human shield. For the nth time, what do you expect Israel to do?
Not target civilians.
Not shoot toddlers in the head.
Not rape civilians they arrest and try to cover it up.
Not illegally capture men off the street, drive them in trucks blindfolded to a field and execute them and dump them in a hole they dug.
Not bomb ambulances with dying civilians in it.
Not starve children.
Do you want me to go on?
So you want Israel to continue to tolerate the death of their civilians as long as Hamas puts their civilians between them and the Israelis... you want Israel to be civil to the people who target civilians, shoot/blow up toddlers, rape civilians, illegally capture/kidnap men off the street, drive trucks full of explosives into crowds of innocent people, execute people from being gay or women for wearing the hijab wrong, steal humanitarian aid for their troops and followers...
Because clearly these lives don’t mean as much, right? Otherwise, if they did, there wouldn’t be so many in American media stuck on October 7th —but “whatever” and repeating Israeli propaganda for all the same events and worse, to a tune of 50x (at least) worse in death count.
You are doing very well spreading Hamas propaganda, but we are too "stuck on October 7th". Again, learn the history. Again, consider what Jews have endured for centuries, many times at the hands of Arabs...
Because they know with the backing of the world’s most powerful military (who also attacks the international court), they can get away with it.
You don't understand Israel. They don't care about who's backing them.
Israel knows that they basically have no consequence legally because in this case, they won’t be held liable for their war crimes because they’ve been brainwashed by their religious fanaticism to think that they are justified and have the approval of the most powerful force on Earth to protect them.
Religious fanatism? Other than the Orthodox, that's not what drives Israel. The IDF's slogan is "Never Again". You do know where that comes from, right?
And yet again, if you think Israel needs anyone's approval to do anything, you really don't know Israel.
You have fallen pray to Hamas/Russia propaganda, continuously posting civilians who were hurt/died because they were put in the line of fire by their own government. Maybe I didn't go back far enough in the thread, but so far I have not seen you post anything about what Hamas is doing.
You seem to expect Israel to just take attacks and deaths of their civilians and don't do anything to retaliate as long as Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS hide behind civilians.
If you think Hamas didn't take into consideration the level of Israeli retaliation, and planned on putting their own civilians in the line of fire to martyr them, you really don't understand Hamas.