Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)

The real flaw here is to think Western ideology is equal or equivalent to Muslim ideology.

I honestly don’t even know what you’re trying to say here. Seems like you’re putting words in my mouth. I didn’t even mention “Muslim ideology”.


How did all start? Who chanted death to ______ first?

It sure didn’t start on October 7th.

Surely you don’t seriously think that this is conflict all based upon a “chant”.


Another misdirection. Israel has bombed schools because munitions, rockets, bombs, and Hamas leaders hide there. Israel even announces they are going to bomb the place... so why is it that there are civilians still in the building? Hamas makes them stay there to martyr themselves.

I’m curious as to why you believe anything the IDF says considering their track record.

Why should I or anyone else believe them?

I’m an American citizen. I don’t subscribe to foreign national propaganda, even though it’s sadly infiltrated our government (AIPAC).

Sure, but you are taking only one side, the side of Hamas, Hezbollah, ISIS, Al-Qaeda...

You keep repeating this. Where have I taken the side of Hamas?

No one is taking “the side” of Hamas. Conflating Hamas with Palestinian civilians is an erroneous practice.

Citizens are dying because Hamas is using them as human shield. For the nth time, what do you expect Israel to do?

The IDF is massacring citizens of Gaza and have convinced people that there’s a justifiable reason to do so and continuing doing so.

For the “nth” time, Israel can and has attacked their position without slaughtering mass numbers of civilians.

They did so when they assassinated Haniyeh in Tehran, did they not? That’s why I asked you about the history of the IDF earlier. To act like Israel has no choice but to massacre civilians because “human shields” is ignoring what Israel has always been able to do — when they WANT to.

70% of the casualties in Gaza are women and children.

I’d love a real explanation on how that isn’t intentional.

So you want Israel to continue to tolerate the death of their civilians as long as Hamas puts their civilians between them and the Israelis... you want Israel to be civil to the people who target civilians, shoot/blow up toddlers, rape civilians, illegally capture/kidnap men off the street, drive trucks full of explosives into crowds of innocent people, execute people from being gay or women for wearing the hijab wrong, steal humanitarian aid for their troops and followers...

Nope.

But you can’t do those same things in response and worse to the people of Gaza and expect folks to take that argument seriously if you aren’t also condemning that.

I posted about IDF soldiers sniping toddlers/children in the head and chest earlier - a NYT article.

What are your thoughts on that?