Israel (now broader Mid East discussion)

Yep. Your feelings. On full display. You're rationalizing Isreal killing civilians and demonizing the other side. My point is clear and undeniable. It doesn't need a long a rationalization. Killing civilians is wrong regardless of what side does it. NEITHER side has a just reason for doing so. You're just picking one.

As you acknowledge, this is a longstanding feud that you don't even fully understand. Both sides have been performing atrocities against each other for ages. It doesn't justify the continued massacre of civilians by either side. That's it, or should be, but you're going to rationalize killing innocent people because these civilians are less worthy than these civilians.
What do you propose Israel do though? And simply not killing civilians isn't a valid answer. How do they respond to the massacre and subsequent hostages?

And fwiw, I've stated many times that Israel, and more specifically, Bibi's response has been well past proportional. I'm disappointed that they had to literally raze Gaza to the ground as a response. I think that wasn't necessary, but their intent has been known for a while now. They want to completely destroy Hamas, and making Gaza inhabitable at least for some time seems to be a part of that strategy.

That said, I'm not sure where the line would be drawn in terms of retaliation. They can't be expected to not respond, so how much is enough?