Anyone miss Sean Payton now even the biggest detractors?

Nope. Allen was his handpicked successor. Brought him here to replace Rob Ryan before Rob Ryan was fired for building the crap Seattle copy defense Payton instructed him to build, and Payton recommended Allen on the way out.

Should have made a total clean break. Allen is Payton's lingering FU. Completely consistent with his skills as a manager, beyond offensive X's and O's.
Fair enough, will have to agree to disagree on this one.

All I’ll say though is that Loomis is a massive egomaniac. I just can’t believe he’s continuing to back Allen because Payton endorsed him (completely get you aren’t saying that but that’s effectively what he’s doing). He’s doing it out of a misguided sense of loyalty and because he thinks he’s smarter than the rest of us.