Ukraine

Dago said

Discussing the history of the region is less political than a lot of what is already in this thread.

While I agree Russia is responsible for their own actions, if NATO and the US have consistently made agreements and violated them, we do bear some responsibility for what is occurring now

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What James Baker told Mikhail Gorbachev in a private conversation back in 1990 is utterly irrelevant.

First of all, James Baker did not have the authority to bind future US policy. Only the Senate can do that through a treaty.

Besides it not at all clear that conversation is what it was about. It was mostly about moving NATO troops into East Germany. I'm pretty sure Gorbachev himself said as much (then he changed his mind I think around the time Russia invaded Georgia)

Sachs seems like a "peace at any cost" type of guy, no matter what people have to suffer for his shortsighted policy.

But hey, its not his land or his country, so who cares?