Right, Im not disputing that. But people supported Allen, despite seeing zero head coaching ability out of him from his days in Oakland, until they finally just couldn't defend him. I don't care who Loomis hires next. If that HC loses, we shouldnt say anything about that coach. This has moved well beyond the HC now. Everything should be directed at Loomis from this point on. He is the one that needs to go. As long as he is here, its his mess and his vision that got us here. Not Rizzi or whoever the new HC will be.