UnitedHealth CEO shot

It's a good point, b/c single payer does lower costs by essentially dictating the price they'll pay. And presumably if the price they are willing to pay is below what someone is willing to work for, then the outcome is nobody gets that service at all. Which is why price controls often lead to massive shortages and can be miserable failures.

The crux is an issue of trust... there's going to be some "bureaucrat" controlling what gets reimbursed/allowed. Who do you trust to be the one making that call? With insurance companies, particularly in a system where there isn't a lot of real competition (being tied to your place of employment for many of us, and even the exchanges have limited choice) - there is a strong profit incentive to deny costs, and not a lot of fear that consumers will be able to switch to a more generous provider. With a public option, the metric will be something different, though presumably, cost will still be a major driver.

It's been talked about for decades... our current system does not work great. We pay more for worse outcomes than our European counterparts. We pay a LOT more. So clearly there are massive inefficiencies... and we have a dysfunctional system that refuses to correct it.

the medical industry web is so interwoven -from medical school to employment to internal groups and outsourced labs ( and im sure im missing other facets like pharmacy/prosthetics/equipment etc ) - its hard to know where to even start re: price controls.

If we institute controls on the services, will medical schools lower tuition? Thereby reducing the debt physicians enter the workforce with? If not, price control wont work. Is that where we start? Or do we start at the service level and hope med schools follow suit?

And if a med school is forced to lower tuition, do the instructors/teachers/professors take a pay cut and stay on or bolt? Does the level of education drop?

I personally believe it must start at the medical school level. The cost of getting a degree in medicine is outrageous. There is no reason a 28 yr old general practitioner should have $200,000+ in debt to start his/her career in medicine. The lone driving factor for them seeking employment will always be maximum income.

But then i start to think about medical equipment- for instance an MRI machine that can cost anywhere from $1,000,000 to $3,000,000 per machine.

Here is what it cost for CT scanner : ( i had no idea that there were 4 different levels - 16 to 256 slice ( slides ) ) so do you go with the 16 to save money but lose out on resolution?
https://www.excedr.com/blog/ct-scanner-cost

meh i gotta get off this thread. im making my brain hurt and lawd knows i cannot afford a CT scan today. ;) I truly dont know where you start to get a handle on this issue.