Haener starts vs Commanders: 1 INT, 5 punts ; Rattler replaced Haener in 2H: led to 19 points

One QB never grew and was all Talent, the other QB grew and developed into a better QB because talent only gets you so far. I played with and have known plenty of people that rely on only talent and never have the discipline to hone their craft and become the greatest... hell it's why we don't even think about Shaq as the greatest player all time. He could have been if he had the drive of MJ and Kobe.... but he got by on talent alone. Now he cries that no one every talks about him when they talk about the best ever.

As for cheering for Jake in Carolina, those people aren't Saints fans and nothing they can do or say will change that. The only Panty you could "cheer" for is Sam Mills and you didn't cheer for him, you were just sad he is now the enemy.
Well, there were more than a handful in Lafayette/Breaux Bridge who became Carolina fans because of Jake. They're mostly all Who dats now tho. It's really not all that different from Sam Mills fans.

And sorry, anyone not putting Shaq in the GOAT discussion didn't watch him much. He was the reason hack a Shaq became a thing. And he was absolutely unstoppable in his prime. No one ever accused him of being lazy while he was in the league. I wouldn't put him top 3, but top 5 maybe, top 10 he's in there.