Sean Payton is showing how fast you can turn teams around

He's 29 of 32 this year and perfect on all EPs.....The only year he was below 84% made was his last year here as he was struggling with injuries.....

I mean, he's been really good most of his career....and he's having a great year this year......

I think you’re taking this as me just bashing Lutz. I’m disagreeing about a point another poster made about his successes and struggles related to harsh coaching. It’s not a compelling point to me.

As it is, Grupe has kicked at about the same level as Lutz did in 2020 (slightly better this season). Lutz then missed all of 2021 on IR and then had a bad year in 2022. It was an extended period of Lutz not being reliable. Making a change made sense, at the time, but I don’t have confidence that Grupe is a long term answer, either.