For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win:

Saint KayBee said

Why do people so readily conflate “Problems That Actually Happened” with excuses?

A bad, nonexistent-demand OC one season followed by a series of decimating injuries happened.

I don’t get how we all watch the same team in the same games, one group goes “whoa, those are some tough breaks” the other goes “no! excuses!”

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Let’s not forget that you went to the wall - to the bitter end - for a bottom 5 HC in NFL history with the same copy and paste bullet points. Still waiting for him to become Bill Belichick.

Carr hasn’t won a playoff game in his 11 year career. At some point, you go through 11 divorces, even with ‘tough breaks’, eventually you might have to consider he might not be that dude and could be part of the problem - even it’s it’s just cap space and preventing a full scale rebuild. This roster ain’t built to support Derek Carr. He needs an elite roster chock full of pro bowlers to be more than he has been. He will not get that here. If he had that, sure he might win a playoff game. We are just not close to giving him that. At all.

We will never agree on sunshine pumping in the face of facts. But toeing the Loomis party line, playing super homer, just isn’t helping the franchise anymore.