For anyone who says Carr is just a stat padder and don’t win:

St. Geezy said
Exactly…these past few seasons have been a masterclass on just how important supporting cast and coaching staff are on a QB. We have seen several QBs that were deemed busts as of late suddenly become good once they found a spot where all things aligned for them.

Stafford years ago, now Darnold, Mayfield, Geno, hell even Bryce Young has suddenly figured things out under Canales and his system.

Young’s success can MAYBE be attributed to experience, but these guys didn’t suddenly figure out how to play football again, no, they just found the right circumstances to thrive.

But when I say it....haha

You know I agree with this 100%. This has ALWAYS been the case. QB success has always been tied to organization, coaching, scheming, and the cast of characters. You have never seen a QB be successful without those things...

St. Geezy said
Carr has certainly not had that most of his career, except for that brief moment where he had prime Michael Crabtree, a young Amari Cooper and Coach Gruden on his way to finishing third in MVP voting and going to the playoffs.

That wasn't Gruden but Del Rio. One thing about Gruden I will say is he "cleaned" up Carr (in terms of stats and "image") but I tell people that I would rather take 2016 Carr over any other version.