Saints candidates Kellen Moore, Joe Brady [and Kliff Kingsbury] compared to Ben Johnson in offensive rankings

Thanks for the detailed breakdown. In my opinion though what a lot of it comes down to with all of these guys is the personnel that they have, health (so strength and conditioning matters) and complimentary football. We can’t underestimate how big turnover differential matters or translates to an OCs success. Buffalo is +24 this year. I mean if Joe Brady and Josh Allen can’t win at least 10 games in a horrible division with that turnover margin then damn. Ben Johnson also benefits from a defensive unit that seems to be able to hang with 3rd string guys. Once again complimentary football. I’m sure that their offensive rankings are directly tied to turnover differential, defensive rankings, special team rankings or a combination of all three.
Interesting comparisons between the 3 OCs. Ben Johnson has put himself in a class of his own in his first 3 years. But Moore and Brady aren’t that far behind season to season. Moore had very similar rankings to Johnson in his first 3 years of OC. One of the main differences seems to be Johnson has younger elite core players at QB/RB/WR/TE from the start of his OC tenure, compared to Moore and Brady getting the most out of midlevel-aging players at skill positions. Either seems like they could be a good HC hire if they’re provided with good personnel from the draft.


Age
Ben Johnson: 38
Kellen Moore: 36
Joe Brady: 35

Player background before coaching career
Ben Johnson: walk-on reserve QB at UNC 2004-2007
Kellen Moore: 3x conference OPOY; 2x QBOY; SN’s #1 player (‘11); Heisman finalist Boise State QB 2007-2011; backup NFL QB with Lions and Cowboys 2012-2017
Joe Brady: backup WR at College of William & Mary 2009-2012

Years as OC in NFL
Ben Johnson: 3
Kellen Moore: 6
Joe Brady: 3.5

Head Coaches that they were OCs under
Ben Johnson: Dan Campbell
Kellen Moore: Mike McCarthy, Brandon Staley, Nick Sirianni
Joe Brady: Matt Rhule, Sean McDermott


Team records while OC in NFL
Ben Johnson: 36-15 (.705)
2022: 9-8 Detroit
2023: 12-5 Detroit lost in NFCCG
2024: 14-3 Detroit TBD

Kellen Moore: 57-43 (.570)
2019: 8-8 Dallas
2020: 6-10 Dallas
2021: 12-5 Dallas lost in wild card
2022: 12-5 Dallas lost in divisional
2023: 5-12 LA Chargers
2024: 14-3 Philadelphia TBD

Joe Brady: 29-28 (.508)
2020: 5-11 Carolina
2021: 5-12 Carolina
2023: 6-1 Buffalo lost in divisional
2024: 13-4 Buffalo TBD


Total offense per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 4th - 380.0
2023: 3rd - 394.8
2024: 2nd - 409.5
(Avg rank: 3rd) (Avg yards: 394.8)


Kellen Moore:
2019: 1st - 431.5
2020: 14th - 371.8
2021: 1st - 407.0

2022: 11th - 354.9
2023: 18th - 329.4
2024: 8th - 367.2
(Avg rank: 9th) (Avg yards: 376.97)

Joe Brady:
2020: 21st - 349.5
2021: 30th - 298.9
2023: 4th - 380.7 (7 games)
2024: 10th - 359.1
(Avg rank: 16th) (Avg yards: 347.05)


Passing offense per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 8th - 251.8
2023: 2nd - 258.9
2024: 2nd - 263.2
(Avg rank: 3rd) (Avg yards: 257.97)


Kellen Moore:
2019: 2nd - 296.9
2020: 8th - 260.1
2021: 2nd - 282.4

2022: 14th - 219.8
2023: 13th - 232.8
2024: 29th - 187.9
(Avg rank: 11th) (Avg yards: 246.65)

Joe Brady:
2020: 18th - 243.0
2021: 29th - 190.5
2023: 14th - 231.1 (7 games)
2024: 9th - 227.9
(Avg rank: 18th) (Avg yards: 223.1)


Rushing offense per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 11th - 128.2
2023: 5th - 135.9
2024: 6th - 146.4
(Avg rank - 7th) (Avg yards - 136.83)


Kellen Moore:
2019: 5th - 134.6
2020: 17th - 111.8
2021: 9th - 124.6
2022: 9th - 135.2
2023: 25th - 96.6
2024: 2nd - 179.3
(Avg rank - 11th) (Avg yards - 130.35)

Joe Brady:
2020: 21st - 106.5
2021: 20th - 108.4
2023: 2nd - 149.6 (7 games)
2024: 9th - 131.2

(Avg rank - 13th) (Avg yards - 123.9)


Scoring per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 5th - 26.6
2023: 5th - 27.1
2024: 1st - 33.2
(Avg rank - 4th) (Avg points - 29)


Kellen Moore:
2019: 6th - 27.1
2020: 17th - 24.7
2021: 1st - 31.2
2022: 4th - 27.5

2023: 21st - 20.4
2024: 7th - 27.2
(Avg rank - 9th) (Avg points - 26.35)

Joe Brady:
2020: 24th - 21.9
2021: 29th - 17.9
2023: 6th - 27 (7 games)
2024: 2nd - 30.9

(Avg rank - 15th) (Avg points - 24.4)


Redzone TD scoring per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 4th - 66.18%
2023: 2nd - 66.67%
2024: 3rd - 69.44%
(Avg rank - 3rd) (Avg pct - 67.43%)


Kellen Moore:
2019: 16th - 57.41%
2020: T-29th - 50%
2021: 6th - 63.64%
2022: 1st - 71.43%
2023: 14th - 57.45%
2024: 13th - 57.35%
(Avg rank - 13th) (Avg pct - 59.54%)

Joe Brady:
2020: 28th - 50.88%
2021: 25th - 53.19%
2023: 4th - 63.89%
2024: 2nd - 74.4%
(Avg rank - 15th) (Avg pct - 60.59%)


Passing TDs per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: T-6th - 1.7
2023: T-6th - 1.7
2024: 4th - 2.3
(Avg rank - 5th) (Avg pTDs - 1.9)


Kellen Moore:
2019: T-5th - 1.9
2020: T-18th - 1.6
2021: 3rd - 2.3
2022: T-6th - 1.7

2023: T-16th - 1.4
2024: T-12th - 1.4
(Avg rank - 10th) (Avg pTDs - 1.7)

Joe Brady:
2020: T-28th - 1.0
2021: 31st - 0.8
2023: T-6th - 1.7
2024: T-7th - 1.8

(Avg rank - 18th) (Avg pTDs - 1.3)


Rushing TDs per season
Ben Johnson:
2022: 2nd - 1.4
2023: 1st - 1.7
2024: T-2nd - 1.7
(Avg rank - 2nd) (Avg rTDs - 1.6)


Kellen Moore:
2019: T-9th - 1.1
2020: T-18th - 0.9
2021: T-14th - 0.9
2022: 3rd - 1.3
2023: T-21st - 0.6
2024: T-2nd - 1.7
(Avg rank - 11th) (Avg rTDs - 1.08)

Joe Brady:
2020: T-10th - 1.2
2021: 13th - 1.0
2023: 5th - 1.3
2024: 1st - 1.7
(Avg rank - 7th) (Avg rTDs - 1.3)


Top offensive playmakers while OC
Ben Johnson: QB Jared Goff, RB Jahmyr Gibbs, RB David Montgomery, RB Jamaal Williams, RB D’Andre Swift, WR Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR Jameson Williams, TE Sam LaPorta

Kellen Moore: QB Dak Prescott, QB Jalen Hurts, QB Justin Herbert, RB Saquon Barkley, RB Ezekiel Elliott, RB Tony Pollard, RB Austin Ekeler, WR Ceedee Lamb, WR A.J. Brown, WR DeVonta Smith, WR Keenan Allen, WR Mike Williams, TE Dallas Goedert

Joe Brady: QB Josh Allen, QB Teddy Bridgewater, QB Sam Darnold, RB James Cook, RB Christian McCaffrey (10 games in Brady’s 2 Panthers years), RB Chuba Hubbard, WR Stefon Diggs, WR D.J. Moore, WR Robbie Chosen, WR Khalil Shakir, WR Keon Coleman, WR Amari Cooper, TE Dalton Kincaid