Why did Spagnuolo stink as Saints' DC? (merged)

The team had a lot of players that were better suited for a 3-4 scheme and that’s what Rob Ryan’s scheme called for when he came over. It wasn’t until 2014 that Payton had Rob Ryan switch back to a 4-3 and replaced the safeties to try to emulate the Legion of Boom scheme that everything went to hell again.
So we're in agreement. Nice.
I'm not saying he invented nickel as a defense, simply he was the first to employ it as a base defense. Team's obviously have film of nickel packages used as situational defenses but not of an actual base where on first down its a 4-2, second down is a 4-2, and third down is a 4-2. It was a different look that teams didn't have film on that allowed a lot of unique looks and countered the popular offensive trend of three wide receivers being the new base.

Payton then stuck his nose in to meddle, however none of it changed the fact the Saints in 2012 through 2016 had an aging defense lacking talent with poor position coaches. When the defensive coaching staff overhaul happened in 2017, the whole defense turned around. Talented players were being developed by good position coaches leading to a very impressive run and what should have been a second Super Bowl appearance and possible Lombardi #2.
Gary Patterson was running a base 4-2-5 at the University of New Mexico in 1996. Ryan didn't "innovate" it.

As for the position coaches, you'll get no argument from me. Spagnuolo and Ryan were both saddled with Payton's clowns of Vitt and Johnson. However Spags was at least allowed to bring his own secondary coach in Ken Flajole who followed him from St. Louis and then followed him to Kansas City later on while Ryan was shackled to Wesley McGriff for 2.5 seasons on top of having to deal with the two aforementioned rejects.

All I'm saying is Ryan did far more than Spagnuolo did with even less to work with. If the personnel in 2012 was THAT bad, Ryan should've had worse results than Spagnuolo did, but he didn't. Then Payton stuck his nose and the rest is history.