What is the ceiling of any of the new head coaches, if Mickey Loomis is retained as GM

A lot has happened in the last 5 years some in his control and some out of it.

If you've been paying attention, we have learned that ML does what the HC asks of him.

At the end of DB's career when his arm was starting to fail him, SP had ML push it for another shot. We came up short and DB retired, COVID killed the cap for a season which derailed their salary cap strategy. Shortly after that SP quit and on his way out gave the recommendation of his DA.

DA made some bad personnel decisions, that's on DA, not ML. Remember, pay attention to who is making the personnel decisions, it's the HC, not ML, ML handles the contracts.

ML took the heat for the CJGJ trade, but looking back, DA wanted him gone no matter what. By the time the trade occurred, his trade value was tanked and teams knew this.

Baun is a more recent example, DA not finding him playing time. We could have re-signed him, that wasn't the issue. Playing time was and that is on the HC.

We need to start putting the blame where is belongs and not just b/c someone doesn't give the interviews up to the expectations of some fans.

People learn from their mistakes. There has been some questionable moves/nonmoves, but I'll say the end of season press conference and everything since then indicates to me that ML has reset going back to the 2005-2006 offseason to revamp the team leadership which will revamp the personnel as we go forward.
You are like a gigantic Loomis excuse machine. It's actually quite impressive.

But you do realize that the HC works FOR the GM and not the other way around, right? All of the things you put on Payton and DA are things that Loomis could easily have said no to. It was HIS choice to do those things and like it or not, he doesn't get a pass. He is the boss, he is responsible for the situation the team is in. You're passing the buck to the guys that are no longer with the team when it wasn't their job in the first place.

And if Loomis goes back to his 2006 mindset and succeeds, I will jump in line to give him credit for doing so like I gave him credit for the first run. But this whole give him credit when things are good and blame someone else when things are bad is NOT it.