What is the ceiling of any of the new head coaches, if Mickey Loomis is retained as GM

You are like a gigantic Loomis excuse machine. It's actually quite impressive.

But you do realize that the HC works FOR the GM and not the other way around, right? All of the things you put on Payton and DA are things that Loomis could easily have said no to. It was HIS choice to do those things and like it or not, he doesn't get a pass. He is the boss, he is responsible for the situation the teams is in. You're passing the buck to the guys that are no longer with the team when it wasn't their job in the first place.

And if Loomis goes back to his 2006 mindset and succeeds, I will jump in line to give him credit for doing so like I gave him credit for the first run. But this whole give him credit when things are good and blame someone else when things are bad is NOT it.

Okay, you know everything. I'll remember to bow down to the king.