Ukraine

Happened to me today. I was going back and forth about certain topics with a friend of mine that is total MAGA. We exchanged a bunch of messages and I conceded a point......maybe you guys will see a different perspective like I did. The United States screwed up in the past. Take the current mess out of it for a minute.....

After the fall of the Soviet Union, America had decent relations with Russia. They were struggling as a democratic nation and we didn't do much to help. Putin comes in, 9/11 happens (to us) and Russia is on our side. Russia is not the threat it was during the Cold War, yet several Presidents expand NATO. George W put the nail in the coffin in 2004 bringing in 7 or 8 nations right on Russia's borders. That's when Russia turned sour again. That's when they became the enemy again. Why did we expand into their "comfort zone"? We held the economic and military advantage at the time, so we could do it. But why do it? Why threaten Russia when they were not the same type of threat like during the Cold War? So as an independent thinker, it makes you wonder if WE didn't help create what is happening now. I can assure you the United States would not allow Mexico or Canada to form an alliance with Russia. If you look at the whole thing through that lens, it makes you think. While I do not condone Russia's actions and they are the clear aggressors in this conflict, you wonder if things could have been different if WE handled things differently.

It's always good to keep and open mind. Looking at things from another perspective is also good practice. Things are rarely black and white. Just shades of grey.

Besides an open mind, we need to keep an eye on facts.

What 7-8 nations joined NATO in 2004 that are right at Russia's border? I can only count 6 countries bordering Russia, and 2 of them are Belarus and Ukraine. The other 4 countries are Norway (member since 1949), Finland (joined in 2023 after Russia invaded Ukraine), plus Latvia and Estonia, who indeed joined in 2004. And remember why they joined NATO? Because they were afraid Russia wanted to reclaim them.

Russia and the U.S. were never in what you'd call a "good" or "decent" relation. You don't point hundreds of nuclear war heads at each other and have a "decent" relation, unless not being openly hostile is how "decent relation" is defined. After Russia lost the ability to keep up with the arms race, things still happened in the background, like espionage, proxy wars...