NFL Scouting Combine: Feb 27–Mar 2
Because it's happen before. I'm just saying the potential value later is no reason to pass on the BPA now and passing on BPA because you're trying to think about need is not a good look either. Whether it's a guard (Ruiz), DE (Davenport), tackle (Penning), CB (Stanley Jean Baptiste), or whatever, we know how it playes out when BPA takes a back seat to a perceived need.
Oh come on this is just absolutely ridiculous. You continue to argue in bad faith. All of your examples are drafting for potential. Literally has nothing to do with our current situation.
We didn't reach on Ruiz because it was a position of need, in fact he played center at Michigan and he was a first round prospect on everyone's board. So if anything the FO picked their BPA and it didn't work out. Davenport and Jean were overdrafted due to potential and has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation we are having.
We aren't talking about reaching for a different position no matter the player grade. Again you continue to argue in bad faith.
I don't think this fabled tied value happens nearly as much as people want to believe. When I look back on those drafts, I don't remember thinking, "ooh it's a toss up between Payton Turner and _____" That's not what happened with NONE of those picks. It was the Saints targeting a position over player value. It's not a good strategy because drafting positions don't mean you will fill the position.
Again you're either not reading any responses or you're choosing to argue in bad faith. Turner was a REACH of epic proportions. Nobody wanted that. We are saying if there's another position that you have graded at an equal level you can go elsewhere since they have higher positional value.
Fuaga being a great example. Not a sexy pick but now we should have our LT spot locked down for the next decade.
Drafting the best player meanwhile leads to improving the over all roster which leads to options for filling positions.
And it's crazy that with all the recent examples from the Saints of how this hasn't worked, the Saints have an Offensive and Defensive line full of first and 2nd round picks, people still want to blindly just pick based on position. SMH.
You are completely mixing the conversation. Nobody is saying you need to draft X position because it's the most valuable no matter who the pick is. You're arguing with yourself on that one.
Saying you're going to draft a RB later is no more effective than saying you're going to build the trenches with your first round picks. It depends on the players available and drafting the best one when you're on the clock. Planning to take this position early or that position later is just not a good strategy because you won't know who's there. Get them when they're in front of you. That's all you can do.
We can agree on this. I've already said all of that in my response to you if you're even reading that. But if you think there's zero positional value FOs use in drafting, you're wrong.
Certain positions are just more valuable and if there's a player of equal value (again this is on your scouting department) teams will draft accordingly. If you have Jeanty far and away a better prospect then you pick him at 9. If your scouts have a similar grade on someone on the DLine and you feel the draft is deep at RB, then you go that route.