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This is not what I want but what I think will happen.



1[10] DT Kentwan Balmer [UNC]
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The Saints have positioned themselves through free agency that they only have one major need remaining on defense. Balmer has great size [6’5” 310lbs] and athletic ability [5.25 [40]/ 33 reps]. Balmer is an interior pass rusher that has a nice array of moves to get to the QB. Balmer’s negative is that he was only successful for one year in college [his only one with coach Butch Davis]. Balmer could have great success under coach O and provides the Saints with an upgrade of both size and pass rush at the DT spot.
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2[42] LB Xavier Adibi [Virginia Tech]
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The Saints signed Dan Morgan [<st1:city><st1>Carolina</st1>]</st1:city>to play the weakside, but he is not a long term answer at the position. Adibi has good size [6’1” 235lbs] and speed [4.69 [40]] and is a vicious tackler. He anchored a stingy Tech defense for 4 years and he plays the game with the intensity that the Saints need on defense.
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3[74] CB Terrance Wheatley [<st1:state><st1>Colorado</st1></st1:state>]
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Wheatley does not have great size [5’9” 185lbs.] but he has elite speed [4.37 [40]] speed to go with the ball skills that he flashed at the combine. Wheatley is added to a group of not dominant CBs but of good young players that can compete and provide great depth.
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5. C Steve Justice [<st1><st1:placename>Wake</st1:placename> <st1:placetype>Forest</st1:placetype></st1>]
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The Saints lost C Jeff Faine to a ridiculous deal, but they have Goodwin to step in ands he has played well. Justice provides great depth and leadership to the offensive line and could be the center of the future. He is not overly big but he is a solid pass blocker and an above average run blocker.
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6. S Jonathan Hefney [<st1:state><st1>Tennessee</st1></st1:state>]
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Roman Harper is developing into a premiere SS but he needs a real partner at FS. Kesviharn is an alright stop gap but a young play making FS could really put the defense over the top. Hefney is small but he has deep range and can cover like a CB.
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7. DT Frank Okam [<st1:state><st1>Texas</st1></st1:state>]
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The major concern about Okam is that he has a brutal work ethic to go with his 1<sup>st</sup> round talent. The Saints can take a risk in the 7th round on the 6’4” 348lbs. pound NT that could be a starter if he would work at it.
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Balmer at 10? If you're serious, prepare for incoming.

Take cover now! Move it!


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Prepare for incoming...??? Incoming bashing from people who've never seen Balmer play? People who, for some completely unknown reason want to compare the big, rangy, athletic Balmer to the fat, immobile, lazy Jonathan Sullivan? Snore.
 

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Kill me

Balmer is late 1st material
 

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Prepare for incoming...??? Incoming bashing from people who've never seen Balmer play? People who, for some completely unknown reason want to compare the big, rangy, athletic Balmer to the fat, immobile, lazy Jonathan Sullivan? Snore.


Incoming from people who do not believe Balmer will be a top ten pick. They are right, he won't.

Are you his mother?


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Prepare for incoming...??? Incoming bashing from people who've never seen Balmer play? People who, for some completely unknown reason want to compare the big, rangy, athletic Balmer to the fat, immobile, lazy Jonathan Sullivan? Snore.

Balmer = Sullivan
 

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My problem with Balmer based on draft profiles:

"Inconsistent and has a questionable motor...Does not have great bulk...Has some trouble shedding blocks...He is slow to read and react....Plays with poor leverage at times...Considered to be an underachiever prior to 2007...Could be a 'tweener."
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/kentwanbalmer.html

"Consistency has been the issue with Balmer. He has the talent, but does not always play up to it. He has the strength to push offensive lineman around, but does not always do it. He has the quickness to consistently get into the backfield, but he doesn&#8217;t always get that penetration. Balmer really only had one season of standout play at the college level."
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kentwan_balmer.html

"Balmer will be labeled by many as a boom or bust type player. His potential is through the roof, but nobody is quite sure if he can keep it all together enough to be an effective player in the NFL. His great physical tools and high ceiling will make him a borderline first round pick."
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1318

Now, I do not deny that he has first round talent, but with drafting, we are measuring the probability of a players success versus pick number (I know it is a little more complicated than that, but this is my basic understanding of it). I just don't think the probability of his success equates to the tenth pick of the draft.
 

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HAAHA

Those draft profiles are why we compare him to Sullivan.

Those are not the profiles of a top 10 talent.
 

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My problem with Balmer based on draft profiles:

"Inconsistent and has a questionable motor...Does not have great bulk...Has some trouble shedding blocks...He is slow to read and react....Plays with poor leverage at times...Considered to be an underachiever prior to 2007...Could be a 'tweener."
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/kentwanbalmer.html

"Consistency has been the issue with Balmer. He has the talent, but does not always play up to it. He has the strength to push offensive lineman around, but does not always do it. He has the quickness to consistently get into the backfield, but he doesn’t always get that penetration. Balmer really only had one season of standout play at the college level."
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/prospects/kentwan_balmer.html

"Balmer will be labeled by many as a boom or bust type player. His potential is through the roof, but nobody is quite sure if he can keep it all together enough to be an effective player in the NFL. His great physical tools and high ceiling will make him a borderline first round pick."
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1318

Now, I do not deny that he has first round talent, but with drafting, we are measuring the probability of a players success versus pick number (I know it is a little more complicated than that, but this is my basic understanding of it). I just don't think the probability of his success equates to the tenth pick of the draft.


Where did I see this profile before, I can't think of the (sullivan) name at this moment. Give me a (sullivan) minute and I will remember the (sullivan) player.
 

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Balmer = Sullivan/2


OK, I minored in math back in the days when I was sober all the time, and I like this one.

B = S/2. So S is twice as good as B? Or am I doing it wrong? 2B = S.


And

"Now, I do not deny that he has first round talent, but with drafting, we are measuring the probability of a players success versus pick number (I know it is a little more complicated than that, but this is my basic understanding of it). I just don't think the probability of his success equates to the tenth pick of the draft."

After carefully examining probability, I think he is saying he doesn't think we'll take Balmer.

Two different opinions. Life is good.


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I am not as anti-Blamer and I think he has a lot of strengths and some weaknesses, but the Saints need a DT and he is worth a top 20 pick.

Sullivan had a lousy work ethic and was out of shape, where Balmer was consistent as a senior when he got really coached and has never been accused of ballooning to 350lbs.
 

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Prepare for incoming...??? Incoming bashing from people who've never seen Balmer play? People who, for some completely unknown reason want to compare the big, rangy, athletic Balmer to the fat, immobile, lazy Jonathan Sullivan? Snore.

+1. Jonathan Sullivan got most of his hype from the Combine. Balmer had his strongest season as a senior under the only NFL caliber coach that he's played for. Just try to keep an open mind, especially if you've never seen him play.:9:
 

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OK, I minored in math back in the days when I was sober all the time, and I like this one.

B = S/2. So S is twice as good as B? Or am I doing it wrong? 2B = S.


And

"Now, I do not deny that he has first round talent, but with drafting, we are measuring the probability of a players success versus pick number (I know it is a little more complicated than that, but this is my basic understanding of it). I just don't think the probability of his success equates to the tenth pick of the draft."

After carefully examining probability, I think he is saying he doesn't think we'll take Balmer.

Two different opinions. Life is good.


ddd


I looked at B=S/2 as meaning Balmer is half the player Sullivan was.

Yikes.
 
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+1. Jonathan Sullivan got most of his hype from the Combine. Balmer had his strongest season as a senior under the only NFL caliber coach that he's played for. Just try to keep an open mind, especially if you've never seen him play.:9:

This is a good point this guy has the potential to be dominant if he gets the coaching that made him stand out as a Senior, oh wait we have a big time DL coach.
 

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The equation should be
Balmer - Balmer = Sullivan
because Sullivan has to equal 0, Balmer = Sullivan/2 would make Balmer equal to zero before he could prove himself which is not fair.


But I think Balmer is a huge reach at 10, we would have to trade down so me to even consider him. And I would prefer Cason even if we did trade down.

Adibi could be good but I don't know if he is the best fit for us. I like him though, I think he will be a great player.

If the draft went the way you made it CB would be the best pick in the 3rd, so I like the pick there, unless a good TE falls.

I would like a WR in the 5th, but C is fine

I don't know much about the Saftey you have there, but other interesting FS are Dominique Barber, and Corey Lynch.

If Frank Okam is still around in the 7th I would love to pick him, but I think someone will give him a chance before then, but you never know what teams are thinking.
 

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