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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A group of U.S. states and cities sued the Trump administration to stop it from asking people filling out 2020 census forms whether they are citizens.

The lawsuit by 17 states, Washington D.C. and six cities challenged what they called last week's "unconstitutional and arbitrary" decision by the U.S. Department of Commerce, which oversees the Census Bureau, to add the citizenship question.

It was also a fresh challenge to what New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, at a press conference announcing the lawsuit, called the administration's "anti-immigrant animus."

All of the states bringing the case have Democratic attorneys general.

They were joined by New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Seattle and Providence, Rhode Island, which all have Democratic mayors, and the U.S. Conference of Mayors. Another state, California, filed a similar lawsuit last week.

The White House and the Commerce Department did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Required under the U.S. Constitution, the decennial census is used to determine the drawing of political boundaries, the allocation of seats in Congress and at the state and local level, and the annual distribution of about $700 billion of federal funds.

Critics of the citizenship question say it might dissuade immigrants, and perhaps many citizens, from being counted, with a disproportionate impact on Democratic-leaning states.

Supporters of the question, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, say it will help the country enforce the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965.

A citizenship question has not appeared in the census since 1950.

The lawsuit accused the Trump Administration of violating the Constitution's requirement that the government conduct an "actual enumeration" of the "whole number of persons" every 10 years.

At the press conference, Schneiderman called the citizenship question a "blatant effort" by the administration to prevent the Census Bureau from doing its job.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/03/599159295/17-states-7-cities-sue-to-remove-2020-census-citizenship-question

the NPR link includes the 54 page complaint.

I guess I'll ask the question. Is it a big deal to add this question? What's the concern? That non citizens won't fill it out at all, thus not be counted?
 
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Doesn’t the census determine the number of representatives in the house? Also determines the electoral votes? Don’t you have to be a citizen to vote? Seems legit to me
The Purpose of the census is to determine the population of the state and the counties/parishes for the purpose of federal funding but also for the purposes of assigning electoral votes and the number of representatives you have in the house. Don’t you have to be a citizen to vote in those elections by law . seems as though we would want to know who are not citizens so that they’re not counted giving a certain area more votes than it should have
So only those eligible to vote should count toward the apportionment of House seats? Does the constitution support this idea?
 
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That is interesting that representation is based on residents and not citizens. Never knew that. So basically citizens in states with large non-citizen populations have greater representation with their votes, as they are voting on behalf of the non-citizens.

Assuming that is true, it seems like a loophole that should be addressed. This loophole helps the democrats so they don't want to lose it. Can't blame them, as every other "quirk" in the voting process massively favors republicans.
Predominantly Republican voting states with small populations and only 1 House seat have a much higher representation per voter than any of the larger states, including those that predominantly vote Republican or Democrat like, Texas and California.
 

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So only those eligible to vote should count toward the apportionment of House seats? Does the constitution support this idea?
I don’t think that it does.

People are people, we should count everyone. All people living in an area need to have services provided for their use, like roads, bridges, police and fire protection, schools, utilities, etc. Proper civic planning depends on the census.

We need the census to be as accurate as possible. It’s hard to get an accurate reading on poor people, the homeless, etc as it is. Let’s not make it harder.
 

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We need the census to be as accurate as possible. It’s hard to get an accurate reading on poor people, the homeless, etc as it is. Let’s not make it harder.

You know they don't consider poor people, immigrants, the homeless, etc. worth counting.
 

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Predominantly Republican voting states with small populations and only 1 House seat have a much higher representation per voter than any of the larger states, including those that predominantly vote Republican or Democrat like, Texas and California.
I know. That's what I meant by the "quirks" that massively favor republicans. The others being that DC doesn't get reps in congress, and that our territories, despite everyone there being citizens, paying taxes, serving in the military, etc, don't get to vote.
 

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Doesn’t the census determine the number of representatives in the house? Also determines the electoral votes? Don’t you have to be a citizen to vote? Seems legit to me
So you were against the 3/5 compromise, and didn't originally want women nor currently children counted in the census. Interesting viewpoint.
 

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i heard it will be appealed and probably go before the supreme court this year
 

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That’s the right decision. Hoping the SC sees it the same way.
 
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We already have a lot of trouble getting people to participate in the census. Why make it more difficult to get participation? What could be the benefit of simply knowing whether a person is a citizen? It really doesn’t affect the purpose of the census at all.

With the current nationalism running rampant through this administration, they don’t deserve to have this looked at benignly. They have earned the mistrust.
And how do we know that the census mailings will not be targeted to people with specific backgrounds. There are some disturbing issues in Tx with passports and citizenship as certain birth documents are being questioned by the government forcing the people to prove something which they cannot really prove being very heavily tilted towards people with names that sound a certain ethnicity.

Just sayin...
 

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And how do we know that the census mailings will not be targeted to people with specific backgrounds. There are some disturbing issues in Tx with passports and citizenship as certain birth documents are being questioned by the government forcing the people to prove something which they cannot really prove being very heavily tilted towards people with names that sound a certain ethnicity.

Just sayin...
And it doesn’t even matter if this this is true or not. The fact that we know many people will have this fear and it will result in less accurate census results should be enough for anyone to oppose the policy.
 

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And it doesn’t even matter if this this is true or not. The fact that we know many people will have this fear and it will result in less accurate census results should be enough for anyone to oppose the policy.
I’m fine with opposing the policy if they change the way they choose the number of reps.
 

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